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One pass gives a player a B ?
Thats a pretty good point. You'd think that Neal would get a pass from time to time considering he has a decent resume of late game heroics (including some playoff ones, notably against the Grizzlies a couple seasons back). I guess that ring, and a favorable memory of days past, buys Jax a lot of leniency.
One pass gives a player a B ?
should it be an A?One pass gives a player a B ?
Agree with Blake, tbh... didn't want to say it because then I get called a homer
Manu did good in limited minutes. Not great, but he didn't play bad or anything like that. He ran the point well, especially while Tony was down.
C looks like he had a bad night. I didn't think he did, tbh. Looks like he's being penalized for not playing much and that wasn't his call.
I was about to say the same kind of thing. Manu should have been given an INC., imo, because you can't tell anything in 8 minutes. It wasn't his decision to sit himself for the balance of the game, and it wasn't because of anything he did wrong. I don't think he deserved a C, but then I also thought that Tony deserved an A+.Agree with Blake, tbh... didn't want to say it because then I get called a homer
Manu did good in limited minutes. Not great, but he didn't play bad or anything like that. He ran the point well, especially while Tony was down.
C looks like he had a bad night. I didn't think he did, tbh. Looks like he's being penalized for not playing much and that wasn't his call.
He'll be fine. He seems to get bored from time to time in a supporting role. He still looks more comfortable than RJ was in yearly 3 seasons In S.A. Neal shouldn't get any pass, not only because his late game heroics are greatly exaggerated. But he is the most 1-D player on the Spurs. He has to score, and do it semi-efficiently. He has been wildly sporadic this season in that role.
I'm not really a Neal appologist, but what you're saying just isn't true. For a guy thats struggled recently, hes definitely got a good resume of late game heroics. See below for two nice examples.
I'm just saying. talk him all you want, hes definitely deserved it of late, but the guy has some seriously clutch moments. Against good teams, in the playoffs, and when it matters.
Yeah probably. This pass is so sick it should give Manu an automatic spot in the asg.
joke aside I agree with nono and u, Manu was fine in 8 mn
I don't see anything about touching the net while tipping in a ball in the official NBA rulebook. According to NBA.com's official policy on basket interference, that Vince Carter tip in was legitimate and not offensive interference, assuming the ball was outside the cylinder.
There's nothing in the rules that prevents you from touching the ball while touching the net in the way Carter did. The rules prevent you from "reaching up through the basket from below and touching the ball," but that's not what Carter did. He simply touched the net on the way up (outside of the rim) and touched the ball while touching the net at the same time. There's no rule saying you can't simultaneously touch the ball and net in this manner.
So he can reach through the net as long as he makes contact with the ball outside of the cylinder? They actually stated that specifically?
I talked about this at length, That Clippers game, Neal had a turnover with the spurs down only 1pts with 7 seconds left. Foye threw a terrible pass that CP3 bobbled into the back court where Neal happened to be and he hit an 3. In OT the spurs where up 3 with less than 15 seconds left and Neal missed both free throws to ice the game The Clippers lipped a 3 at the buzzer.
At Dallas (the comeback game) Neal had got fouled after making a layup in OT and the Spurs were down 1 point Neal missed the free throw and we lost the game by that deposit 100-101.
Neal had a horrid series vs the grizzles, He had -22 for the series He shot 34% FG 26% 3pt (down 14% from the regular season) and we lost the series by a net loss of -19. Neal hit a 3 to take it into the Overtime but Parker won the game in OT. Your putting too much stock in one shot. If You take that shot out of the equation people would be crushing him for that performance.
Both of those examples don't really prove anything of his "clutchness".
Pop usually goes Green over Neal late in games even if Green is struggling. Green still provides more rather it be defense, or rebounding. Neal can shoot, no doubt about it but he's isn't clutch to say the least.
I like neal but I think he really has become delusional about his role on the team. He is 3rd on the team in Per 36 FGA (despite the fact that he is tied for 5th in points per 36 minutes) after Tony, & Tim & ahead of Ginobili, Green, & Splitter who are all more valuable to the team.
Uh, no?
The rules don't specify everything you're allowed to do. The rules ban everything you're not allowed to do, and any extraneous situation that arises that isn't specifically banned within the context of a rule is implied to be legitimate.
This notion of "touching the net = interference" is not correct. Maybe this was the case 10 or 20 years ago (I don't know), but it's certainly not true today under the current rules.
Basket interference occurs if one of the following four things happen:
(a) touching the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on the rim of the basket
(b) touching the ball when it's within the cylinder extending upwards from the rim (This is the only argument one could make for basket interference on that Carter play. I don't know if the ball was still in the cylinder or not. It looked like it was out of the cylinder from certain perspectives and in the cylinder on others)
(c) reaching up through the basket from below and touching the ball, be it inside or outside the cylinder (Carter did not do this; he simply touched the net while reaching for the ball, but his reaching occurred outside the basket)
(d) pulling down on the rim of the basket so that it contacts the ball before returning to its original position. (When Carter got tangled up with the net on his way up he did not change the position of the rim in any way)
Interesting...
See this is becoming my position as well. I love that Neal's not afraid to shoot the basketball. I appreciate his quick release and his being...not like Bonner. I do have a problem with his shot selection and the fact that he's 3rd on the team in FGA/36. That's ridiculous. I noticed this as well when I was going through the stats a couple of days ago, and I honestly think that Neal's part of the reason why the Spurs have the 5th best ranked offense in the league instead of the 3rd or 4th.
He shoots too much without making enough shots and with Splitter growing into a viable offensive option and Manu being Manu Ginobili, he should really be no higher than 6th or 7th on the FGA/36 list. The same goes for his usage percentage. In spite of the fact that the stats suggest that he hasn't been efficient or particularly adept at distributing the ball, excluding Baynes, Neal is 4th on the team in usage percentage in spite of his production not matching up to that. Meanwhile Splitter is 9th or so in usage percentage and Kawhi is sitting at around 13th.
I don't know if he's trying too hard for a contract and I do want him to keep shooting, but he has to pick his spots better and Pop needs to put a lid on his minutes if he's not hot. Green's streaky but he's not usually chucking so much as just missing the shots he's been given. Neal is chucking at times when he's out there and that's just not a productive habit.
Regarding Neal, I think it's interesting that Popovich has slowly been pulling the reigns in on his "dribble up to the 3 point line in transition and shoot a semi-contested 3 pointer" attempts. He used to take 2 or 3 of those per game freely like he had the ultimate green light. After a timeout and talk with Pop a couple of games ago (I don't remember which one), he only seems to take maybe 1 per game max unless he makes the first one.
The major problem is we're still forcing Neal to play back up point guard when his dribbling skills are atrocious.
I agree with literally everything you said. The thing that worries me, is that he is both unathletic and undersized. He is also rather slow at driving to the rim. Simply put, he really can't finish on a consistent basis inside the paint. That leads to him to try and fill it up from the perimeter. As a point guard he remind me of a running QB. They try to throw/pass and when they can't find their first option the resort to running/shooting. As a shooting guard theres the problem of not having enough minutes with Green logging about 25 mpg ( higher because he had to play SF early in the season) and Manu logging about 23 mpg.
The only option that seems viable, to me at least, is play Manu at point guard with Jackson (or even Diaw) occasionally bringing the ball up the court both are great at finding cutters for easy shots at the rim. Keeping Neal strictly off ball running off screens for open looks from distance would cut his overall attempts and get him back to basics. 15-18 minutes per game is really all you really can justify for Neal unless he's hot (like the 1st Portland game).
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