Tony Parker: Most Underrated Player in the NBA

[Strategic]

Parker >>>>>>>>>>>> Williams

Best case scenario is the Spurs get the first seed and then play CP3 and the Clippers in the WCF. Not only is that a better matchup than OKC, we get to see TP vs. CP3 Round 3.

Yup on the first point. The second one is more of a wet dream than a best case, imo.

[DAF86]

Good article by Jan Hubbard. The only flaw I see is where he says he can't say Tony Parker is better than Deron Williams. That's actually no contest.

Parker >>>>>>>>>>>> Williams

Best case scenario is the Spurs get the first seed and then play CP3 and the Clippers in the WCF. Not only is that a better matchup than OKC, we get to see TP vs. CP3 Round 3.

I know CP3 was "injured" last year so Parker's cromination of him has been given an asterisk. Back in 2008, CP3 was pretty much impossible for the Spurs to guard ... but that was largely because of that Tyson Chandler alleyoop threat. If the Spurs guarded CP3 at all coming off that pick, he'd just toss it in the air and Chandler would dunk it. CP3 doesn't have that huge pressure valve with the Clippers ... so the Spurs can actually gameplan against him.

But even back in 2008, Parker was the one who came up clutch in Game 7 on the road while Duncan and Ginobili were choking and CP3 was deferring to Jannero Pargo. In that fourth quarter, Parker was 3-for-5 with eight points and the danger jumper with under a minute to go. Duncan and Ginobili were a combined 0-for-10 from the floor; in fact, that duo missed their last 13 shots from the field going back to the middle of the third quarter.

So, yeah, a rubber match would be awesome to watch. The two best PGs in the league battling for a trip to the Finals. Let's just hope CP3 isn't "injured" again, tbh.

And here I was all these years thinking that the guy featured on this video was Manu.

[timvp]

And here I was all these years thinking that the guy featured on this video was Manu.

How does that change Ginobili + Duncan = 0-for-13 in the final 18 minutes of that game?

[DAF86]

How does that change Ginobili + Duncan = 0-for-13 in the final 18 minutes of that game?

And how does that make 26pts with 5 assts and 5 rbds on one leg "choking" in that game 7 on the road? Is the same logic in where the fastest guy on the NBA isn't athletic?

[RodNIc91]

Manu was big in that game but he wasnt as clutch as Tony thats the point. If you remember those playoffs no one outside the big 3 were able to generate any offense. If not for tony the hornets comeback and taake the game.

[timvp]

And how does that make 26pts with 5 assts and 5 rbds on one leg "choking" in that game 7 on the road? Is the same logic in where the fastest guy on the NBA isn't athletic?

0-for-13 doesn't lie. If Parker were part of an 0-for-13 to close out a Game 7, no one would ever let him live it down.

How athletic is Parker? Is that why he didn't choke in that game? I don't know why you want to bring up his athleticism, tbh.






P.S.

Take away the technical free throws and the free throws at the end where the Hornets were intentionally fouling and Manu had 19 points on 6-for-19 shooting. Props, I guess.

[DAF86]

0-for-13 doesn't lie. If Parker were part of an 0-for-13 to close out a Game 7, no one would ever let him live it down.

How athletic is Parker? Is that why he didn't choke in that game? I don't know why you want to bring up his athleticism, tbh.

Do you consider Manu's performance on that game 7 a choke? yes or no, simple answer.

And I didn't bring up Parker's athleticism, I brought up your reasoning skills

[timvp]

Do you consider Manu's performance on that game 7 a choke? yes or no, simple answer.

And I didn't bring up Parker's athleticism, I brought up your reasoning skills

Yes. Being a part of an 0-for-13 stretch in the final 18 minutes is a choke. It's pretty much the textbook definition. Game 7, on the road, needing baskets .... 0-for-13. Choke.

Do you think 6-for-19 with no made field goals in the final 18 minutes is a choke? Yes or no, simple answer.

And, yes, it's possible to be fast but not a good athlete in terms of jumping and being overpowering in the air by NBA standards. Not exactly a hard concept to follow, IMO.

[DAF86]

P.S.

Take away the technical free throws and the free throws at the end where the Hornets were intentionally fouling and Manu had 19 points on 6-for-19 shooting. Props, I guess.

Why take away those and penalize Manu for being the most reliable guy on the line during clutch time when arguing clutchness?

[timvp]

Why take away those and penalize Manu for being the most reliable guy on the line during clutch time when arguing clutchness?

That didn't look like a yes or no answer, IMO.

[DAF86]

Yes. Being a part of an 0-for-13 stretch in the final 18 minutes is a choke. It's pretty much the textbook definition. Game 7, on the road, needing baskets .... 0-for-13. Choke.

Do you think 6-for-19 with no made field goals in the final 18 minutes is a choke? Yes or no, simple answer.

And, yes, it's possible to be fast but not a good athlete in terms of jumping and being overpowering in the air by NBA standards. Not exactly a hard concept to follow, IMO.

No, is not a choke 'cause he still managed to post 26pts, 5assts and 5 rbds and being arguable the main reason as to why the Spurs managed to win that game.

[ElNono]

Tony was 7-17 in that game and scored 17... he was the epitome of no-show until he made a couple of baskets in the 4th...

Tony would live down a 0-for-13 if he would be drawing fouls non-stop in the clutch, sinking the freebies and winning the game... but back then, Pop knew who should have the ball in his hand to close out games, tbh...

[DAF86]

That didn't look like a yes or no answer, IMO.

Wasn't answering a yes or no question, tbh.

[timvp]

No, is not a choke 'cause he still managed to post 26pts, 5assts and 5 rbds and being arguable the main reason as to why the Spurs managed to win that game.

Okay, being part of an 0-for-13 is not a choke. Got it.

Tony would live down a 0-for-13 if he would be drawing fouls non-stop in the clutch

Who was doing that? No one was drawing fouls non-stop in the clutch in that game, tbh.

[ElNono]

At any rate, Tony was likely overrated back in 2008, but right now he's probably rated right. I don't think you can call a player underrated when he's just been selected to the ASG...

[timvp]

It's good to see the CoM can still respond in timely fashion, though. Props.

But it's okay guys, 0-for-13 happened five years ago. Besides, Ginobili was injured ... as evident by getting owned by Sasha Vujacic in the subsequent series.

The correct defense was "Yes, Manu choked but he was hurt. What was Duncan's excuse?", tbh.

[TrainOfThought5]

parker wont be "Appreciated" by regular fans until we go to the finals and win, tbh.

[ElNono]

Who was doing that? No one was drawing fouls non-stop in the clutch in that game, tbh.

0:41 85-80 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:41 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 86-80
0:41 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 87-80
0:35 87-80 Jannero Pargo misses 17-foot jumper
0:34 Fabricio Oberto defensive rebound 87-80
0:32 87-80 Peja Stojakovic personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:32 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 88-80
0:32 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 89-80
0:32 New Orleans full timeout
0:29 89-80 Jannero Pargo misses 27-foot three point jumper
0:27 89-80 David West offensive rebound
0:26 89-82 David West makes driving dunk
0:25 89-82 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:25 89-82 Morris Peterson enters the game for Chris Paul
0:25 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 90-82
0:25 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 91-82

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playby...19003&period=4

[DAF86]

BTW, I agree: Tony is highly underated.

[TrainOfThought5]

At any rate, Tony was likely overrated back in 2008, but right now he's probably rated right. I don't think you can call a player underrated when he's just been selected to the ASG...

because in all honesty hes a top 3 PG.

but he doesnt get that recognition. a lot of people think he isnt even top 5.

[ElNono]

because in all honesty hes a top 3 PG.

but he doesnt get that recognition. a lot of people think he isnt even top 5.

Coaches do

[timvp]

0:41 85-80 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:41 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 86-80
0:41 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 87-80
0:35 87-80 Jannero Pargo misses 17-foot jumper
0:34 Fabricio Oberto defensive rebound 87-80
0:32 87-80 Peja Stojakovic personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:32 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 88-80
0:32 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 89-80
0:32 New Orleans full timeout
0:29 89-80 Jannero Pargo misses 27-foot three point jumper
0:27 89-80 David West offensive rebound
0:26 89-82 David West makes driving dunk
0:25 89-82 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:25 89-82 Morris Peterson enters the game for Chris Paul
0:25 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 90-82
0:25 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 91-82

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playby...19003&period=4

Do you know what an intentional foul is, IMO?

[ElNono]

Do you know what an intentional foul is, IMO?

did he draw the fouls? Why the boxscore doesn't read Tony Parker draws the foul?

[DAF86]

timvp where "26pts with 5rbds and 5assts in a winning effort is considered choking" and "being the fastest guy on the league is considered not being an athletic guy" happens.

BTW congrats on making this a Manu vs Tony thread, I missed these.

[freetiago]

Ginobili cant get past soft traps anymore and loses his dribble then turns it over or throws a bad wrap around/skip pass 90% of the time now
tony has been money in the 4th for the past 2 seasons
last year i believe he was the second highest scorer in "clutch" time after kevin durant