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    So the journalist must decide the level of credibility of the source before asking a question?
    sure. and of the overall evidence, which is sketchy at this point. yes, journalists have discretion on issues like whether a story sounds credible, what questions to ask, when to ask them, etc. if they don't have standards and use discretion, journalism will be reduced to gossip like TMZ or E!

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    Fox didn't ask Palin if Africa is a continent! Bias!

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    because this is a non-story until proven it is?

    Some dude posts a video of some chick saying she slept with <xxxxxx> when she was underage and now <xxxxxx> needs to answer questions about it???
    The FBI has an open case about it. <xxxxxxx> should probably be asked the question.



    That's pretty ironic. This thread reeks of butthurt about not getting the news the way you want them.
    It's not very ironic. Because, while protecting your team, you are missing the point like Pearl Harbor the movie. But you are correct I am mad that a journalist doesn't ask a question. Either the guy is bad at his job, or was wooed by (D) Menendez or it is just yet another story of MSM bias. But I am glad to see you are more interested in adding a lol to the end of each comment. You are making no sense but complete defense on something that is pretty easy to see the journalist did a bad job. But good job.

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    sure. and of the overall evidence, which is sketchy at this point. yes, journalists have discretion on issues like whether a story sounds credible, what questions to ask, when to ask them, etc. if they don't have standards and use discretion, journalism will be reduced to gossip like TMZ or E!
    Yeah I agree with that. However, when there is a FBI investigation, then maybe they should get a quote. Who is saying these sources are not credible btw?

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    How dare the MSM media not ask about some obscure internet video! Bias!
    Oh dammit. I forgot my

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    The FBI has an open case about it. <xxxxxxx> should probably be asked the question.
    That's not what the FBI said.

    It's not very ironic. Because, while protecting your team, you are missing the point like Pearl Harbor the movie. But you are correct I am mad that a journalist doesn't ask a question. Either the guy is bad at his job, or was wooed by (D) Menendez or it is just yet another story of MSM bias. But I am glad to see you are more interested in adding a lol to the end of each comment. You are making no sense but complete defense on something that is pretty easy to see the journalist did a bad job. But good job.
    I don't have a team. I don't even like Menendez.

    I find it hilarious though that you crawl to obscure internet sites and allegations to keep building on your confirmation bias.

    I though Fox (AFAIK, not a (D) team player) handled the matter exactly the way you would expect it to be handled: confirmed this is nothing but allegations at this point and a non-story.

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    Yeah I agree with that. However, when there is a FBI investigation, then maybe they should get a quote. Who is saying these sources are not credible btw?
    melanie sloan, the person who forwarded the complaint to the FBI

    However, Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, confirmed to FoxNews.com that her organization forwarded information on this issue to the FBI's Washington office and Justice Department criminal division on July 17, 2012.

    "I believe that they started an investigation based on the information we forwarded," she said. Correspondence between the supposed source and CREW was also posted online this week. Sloan confirmed the authenticity of those emails.

    Still, Sloan raised concerns about the credibility of the source, saying she is "increasingly su ious" about the alleged facts in the case.

    "He refused to ever be contacted by us by phone," she said. "It's really easy to make a lot of allegations. ... Who knows ... if that's even a real person."

    She said CREW is no longer investigating.


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...#ixzz2JJEjw5ER

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    However, when there is a FBI investigation
    The FBI is declining to comment on newly emerged do ents that appear to show the agency investigating allegations that Sen. Bob Menendez "received the services of young pros utes" while in the Dominican Republic -- a charge the senator's office has rejected for months.

    FBI spokesman Jason Pack said he could not confirm whether there was an investigation. "DOJ policy prohibits us from confirming the existence or not of an investigation," he said.



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    That's not what the FBI said.



    I don't have a team. I don't even like Menendez.

    I find it hilarious though that you crawl to obscure internet sites and allegations to keep building on your confirmation bias.

    I though Fox (AFAIK, not a (D) team player) handled the matter exactly the way you would expect it to be handled: confirmed this is nothing but allegations at this point and a non-story.
    FOX is a business. I do agree that the editor had the journalist do their job. Putting in all the actual facts in their news report. However, if they had gotten an interview with the Congressman, I would have expected them to ask the question.

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    That's not what the FBI said.



    I don't have a team. I don't even like Menendez.

    I find it hilarious though that you crawl to obscure internet sites and allegations to keep building on your confirmation bias.

    I though Fox (AFAIK, not a (D) team player) handled the matter exactly the way you would expect it to be handled: confirmed this is nothing but allegations at this point and a non-story.
    You don't have a team... That comment is worth a for sure.

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    melanie sloan, the person who forwarded the complaint to the FBI

    However, Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, confirmed to FoxNews.com that her organization forwarded information on this issue to the FBI's Washington office and Justice Department criminal division on July 17, 2012.

    "I believe that they started an investigation based on the information we forwarded," she said. Correspondence between the supposed source and CREW was also posted online this week. Sloan confirmed the authenticity of those emails.

    Still, Sloan raised concerns about the credibility of the source, saying she is "increasingly su ious" about the alleged facts in the case.

    "He refused to ever be contacted by us by phone," she said. "It's really easy to make a lot of allegations. ... Who knows ... if that's even a real person."

    She said CREW is no longer investigating.


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...#ixzz2JJEjw5ER

    Whether she is credible or not. I would expect any politician to have to answer to an allegation like that. Maybe they were trying to blackmail. Or maybe they were trying to stay incognito since they weren't in the type of business that needs that kind of advertisement. Either way that is, imo, a bad job of getting the story. Whether because of a bad journalist who doesn't do his job well or media bias who was pushed by their editor not to push. It could also just be subconsciousness. I think the common sense thing is to ask the question, unless you don't work for a credible news source and won't make this a story.

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    What's -worthy is the FBI spokesperson destroying your argument he should be asked because they have a case open about it.

    Not surprising you read "Democrat caught with underage pros ute" in some obscure website and got a boner, tbh.

    I don't have a team. I've criticized Dems plenty of times in here, including the Prez, the DoJ, Hillary, etc etc etc. I can say with a straight face I never voted for one either.

    The problem is red team members like you automatically think that if you make fun of red teamers, he must be a dem! As I explained Yoni many times, it's not all black and white (or red and blue).

    I'm actually hoping the FBI does come out and finds out this was true, tbh... I don't like Bob Menendez any more than you do...

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    Yeah because that b.s. worked with politicians before. This would be comical if it wasn't so accepted that D's get passes that R's don't.
    Stop being such a victim, snc. You think the press will ever pass up the opportunity to expose a scandal? Remember Congressman Weiner or Gov. Spitzer, both of whom were lionized darlings of the Dems in one of the bluest states in the country (NY)? Both those guys were destroyed by the mainstream liberal press. Never forget Big Media is in it for the money, and there is no greater risk/return ratio money-maker in journalism than a sex scandal.

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    There was also that popular 90's president... what was his name?

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    There was also that popular 90's president... what was his name?
    There was no bias in the 90's

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    There was no bias in the 90's
    Lol. Who broke that story? NBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, NYT, WSJ or the fairly unknown website at the time-Drudge Report?

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    Stop being such a victim, snc. You think the press will ever pass up the opportunity to expose a scandal? Remember Congressman Weiner or Gov. Spitzer, both of whom were lionized darlings of the Dems in one of the bluest states in the country (NY)? Both those guys were destroyed by the mainstream liberal press. Never forget Big Media is in it for the money, and there is no greater risk/return ratio money-maker in journalism than a sex scandal.
    I'm not stating it as a "woe is me and my side; it's not fair", but merely as a fact. Once a story breaks, most of the time the media will run with it. In that way I agree with you that it is profit style business. But I do believe that the large majority of journalists are liberal minded. That's understandable. Everyone who starts repe ively writing stories and going through the motions will just letting their views get in the way of the facts. However their editors should be catching it. That is if they want to. Or if they are catching it. That's one part of it.
    Then there is the bigger side. Like not reporting on the Tea Party staged events. Then spending countless amount of time with the OWS. Or spending countless amount of time, money and frontpage news on republican scandals while pushing Dem scandals in the back pages or not covering it at all. Replaying stupid things that Conservative radio entertainers and TV talking heads say but not bringing up the other sides moronic comments.
    I have no problem with the news being tough on politicians but just wish they did it for both sides.
    I would love to see a real reporter go for questions that might make Obama actually prepare for it.

    I do find it humorous after 2007 anyone could actually think that 85% of the media isn't biased.

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    Lol. Who broke that story? NBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, NYT, WSJ or the fairly unknown website at the time-Drudge Report?
    That story was backed up by recordings made by Linda Tripp and the fact that Lewinsky actually worked with Clinton

    And Drudge tossed a lot of against the wall to see what sticks... see:
    http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/dsp/specialReports_pc_carden_detail.htm?reportID={B5E2 DC5F-DCB0-4A4A-AD05-95EF060CBA36}

    Does Clinton or any politician has to answer to any question about any allegation?

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    So the journalist must decide the level of credibility of the source before asking a question?
    ...yeah.

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    snc, nobody is saying media has no bias... However, there's MSM for every taste out there, and this thread is absolutely all about "woe is me and my team".

    blue teamer when Dem is interviewed by Fox News: "lol, they just asked him a gotcha question"
    red teamer when Dem is interviewed by Fox News: "Fox always asks the tough questions!"

    red teamer when GOP is interviewed by MSNBC: "lol, they just asked him a gotcha question"
    blue teamer when GOP is interviewed by MSNBC: "MSNBC always asks the tough questions!"

    blue teamer when GOP is interviewed by Fox News: "they never ask him the tough questions, bias! "
    red teamer when Dem is interviewed by MSNBC: "they never ask him the tough questions, bias! "

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    What's -worthy is the FBI spokesperson destroying your argument he should be asked because they have a case open about it.

    Not surprising you read "Democrat caught with underage pros ute" in some obscure website and got a boner, tbh.

    I don't have a team. I've criticized Dems plenty of times in here, including the Prez, the DoJ, Hillary, etc etc etc. I can say with a straight face I never voted for one either.

    The problem is red team members like you automatically think that if you make fun of red teamers, he must be a dem! As I explained Yoni many times, it's not all black and white (or red and blue).

    I'm actually hoping the FBI does come out and finds out this was true, tbh... I don't like Bob Menendez any more than you do...
    Not surprised you are on full defense when you see D

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    Does Clinton or any politician has to answer to any question about any allegation?
    You got the lol on there so congrats but wtf is your question?

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    snc, nobody is saying media has no bias... However, there's MSM for every taste out there, and this thread is absolutely all about "woe is me and my team".

    blue teamer when Dem is interviewed by Fox News: "lol, they just asked him a gotcha question"
    red teamer when Dem is interviewed by Fox News: "Fox always asks the tough questions!"

    red teamer when GOP is interviewed by MSNBC: "lol, they just asked him a gotcha question"
    blue teamer when GOP is interviewed by MSNBC: "MSNBC always asks the tough questions!"

    blue teamer when GOP is interviewed by Fox News: "they never ask him the tough questions, bias! "
    red teamer when Dem is interviewed by MSNBC: "they never ask him the tough questions, bias! "
    If you read into it that it is a my team is treated one way but not the other team, there is nothing I can do for you. Regardless of my intentions for putting up this article, your response to it is a huge "leave my team alone"

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    snc, nobody is saying media has no bias... However, there's MSM for every taste out there, and this thread is absolutely all about "woe is me and my team".

    blue teamer when Dem is interviewed by Fox News: "lol, they just asked him a gotcha question"
    red teamer when Dem is interviewed by Fox News: "Fox always asks the tough questions!"

    red teamer when GOP is interviewed by MSNBC: "lol, they just asked him a gotcha question"
    blue teamer when GOP is interviewed by MSNBC: "MSNBC always asks the tough questions!"

    blue teamer when GOP is interviewed by Fox News: "they never ask him the tough questions, bias! "
    red teamer when Dem is interviewed by MSNBC: "they never ask him the tough questions, bias! "
    Fox does not get the kind of interviews that the others get. And you completely forgot CNN, ABC, and NYT in your broad generalization.

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    If you read into it that it is a my team is treated one way but not the other team, there is nothing I can do for you. Regardless of my intentions for putting up this article, your response to it is a huge "leave my team alone"
    Your intentions are clear as a day. My response was a Fox story addressing your faux outrage about the MSM media.

    Fox does not get the kind of interviews that the others get. And you completely forgot CNN, ABC, and NYT in your broad generalization.
    Sure they do. And they go just as soft/hard on the persons they want to go soft/hard on.

    Feel free to expand my broad generalization to whatever your MSM confirmation bias takes you

    I frankly don't watch much of CNN or ABC. I do read the Times since it's my local Newspaper.

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