response to Brooks: If you agree with the Dems more and spend most of your time disagreeing with the Republicans- Are you a republican?
See, this response is, in my estimation, exactly the kind of thing that Brooks is talking about, and that some of us who used to consider ourselves Republican find offensive. It basically says that if you do not take my position on every position then you are out of my party.
So a fair number of us have said...ya know what? You're right. I am out of here.
I think the conflict/frustration in the GOP is with the tiny fraction of obstructionists mostly made up of Tea Party candidates. The GOP should remain their own party, but stop catering to and nominating Tea Partiers. If the Tea Party doesn't like it, they can make up their own smaller, independent party.
"you do not take my position on every position then you are out of my party."
aka, extremist purity. No compromise EVER because I'm 100% right and you're always wrong.
As Teysha said, there seems to be a disconnect with the current fabric of society, which is made up of a lot of different kind of people.
At the end of the day, I think the brighter minds on the GOP will prevail. It's not that complicated: you need power to impose your will or you become irrelevant.
This is what I am hoping will actually happen one day. They could cons ute their own third party, run whoever they want to run, try to get their slate of candidates elected, but leave the mainstream to the centrists of both major parties. I have no more use for the extremists of the democratic party than I do the tea partiers of the Republican party.
Well, I think partisanship is at an all time high... the "you're with us or against us" is really a disservice to their party, since it alienates all sort of centrist people that might actually vote for the GOP. Tea Potties are apparently especially demanding about your loyalties...
The extremists seem to spend so much time talking only to each other that they imagine that most people think as they think. And among the people with whom they share ideas, that it true.
The American electorate has, until recently at least, been characterized as a 'center-right' group of people. Democrats seem to forget, when running for office, that 'right' is a part of that characteristic, and the Tea Partiers forget that 'center' is any part of it.
Conservatives were also known for being intelletuals, educated, etc. They still are for the most part (minus Tea Partiers of course), but you'd never catch one admitting it today.
Not that at all. But with eight years of Bush, Brooks was always on MTP with an anti Bush comment. Four years later with Obama president, Dems controlled Congress and at one time the house- Brooks has maintained his anti Repub comments. The only time he talks about Obama is when he is praising him. The Dems are ran by their extreme wing of their party and he instead wants to speak against Republicans. Call yourself whatever you want. I don't care or try and bracket people. But with everything the Dems are doing, you would think he would find something to gripe about. From any view of Republicans, the Dems and Obama are going against it. Spending, Social, Civil Liberties. Yet he wants to spend his time on the smallest and newest bloc of the Republican party.
Hate to pull a CD but you have anything to back up that statement?
Not really sure about that characterization, since the Democrats have moved to the center-right ever since Clinton. I mean Obama's signature achievement is enacting the Republicans' healthcare plan.
So Rinos, since they agree with you, should be included...But Tea Partiers should get their own Party?
It would make more sense for the NDP and Blue dogs to join with RINOs and New England Conservatives
Pretty much, add perpetual warmongering as another signature achievement... that's why when I read stuff like "The Dems are ran by their extreme wing of their party" I can only smile at the complete disconnect...
To be fair, SnC, a LOT of republicans were complaining about the Bush presidency, especially talk show pundits and columnists like Brooks and George Will. They had specific complaints at the time. Brooks' mainly were about the Iraq war, and Will's (and mine) had mostly to do with the outrageous spending that was occurring during the only time in this century that Republicans controlled all three branches of government. Remember that the republican candidates ran away from Bush in the 2008 election, and the 2010 election brought in the Tea Partiers.
Yeah, they've been center right ever since the slaughtering Dukakis took.
Maybe that's because when someone who sees the type of information we can't see daily, they turn into pragmatists.
Then again it's probably me who's disconnected.
Read up on Bobby Jindal and Newt Gingrich calling out GOP for being the Party of Studid people. I think the voices are coming out now from leaders of the GOP to gain back that reputation as "the smart guys in the room" after this embarrassing election.
I don't really accept the assertion that I am a Rino since I no longer consider myself a Republican. Moreover, although YOU may accept those that you consider 'rinos', the tea party runs against them in the republican primaries to purge the party of those who are not pure enough. So it appears to me that the Tea Party is going to either rule the Republican Party or die trying, and they may kill the party if they are not successful in enough elections.
I'm certainly glad the extreme left isn't in charge... they're not electable... as the GOP is finding out that extreme right positions are not electable either...
Yeah. Will was and still is one of my fav commentators on TV. But he is consistent with his complaining. Same with Scarborough. But not Brooks. You do make a good point except he has tons of ammo for Obama's foreign policies.
In my experience the Tea Party guys were annoyed at Bush's spending and then when Obama came in after all his campaigning of his promises which was alot of spending. Those are the people in my life who call themselves tea party members.
I posted this back in 2010...
I thought the last election reflected that...
I read that. I doubt they were talking about them as a whole or the tea party caucas. Although you made a point that it was a 'common knowledge' kind of thing. I agree that they have become marginalized and characterized as the new Ross Perot party but I doubt they are less intelligent than the rest. With their biggest beef being taxes, they probably are apart of the higher tax brackets. So they atleast have a skill, education for that skill or both.
They have a view point that has validity
Tea baggers huh...mature
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