How ridiculous.
Yeah too F in bad he has not shot threes well in the playoffs and we have not won a damn thing since he became part of the rotation! What championship team do you speak of and what stats int he playoffs do you speak of Chazley? LOL Bonner fans, he sucks in the playoffs still, thats a fact. You guys can not tell me otherwise I can't stand dude because of that fact. He can shoot well all year long, but unlike Horry when it counts blahhhhh.
You post things on purpose most of the time in sarcasm, honestly I know that becuase no human is this stupid.They will never do that, he is garbage and they know it. He is good for what he is, some threes and nothing else alot of times.
Not at all, actually. Most people on this forum have been shown to hate pasty, white, ginger people. It's sick, really. Bunch of ing racist POS posters, tbh.
this
Bonner starts getting a mul ude of DNP-CD and the Spurs suddenly improve substantially defensively... that's not eyeball, that's fact. coincidence or small sample size?
ill repeat what people have said:
CHOKER
Since you are too lazy to click on the ESPN stats for Bonner here they are. Start at the bottom and read up. 10-1 with Bonner 0-3 without.
Wed 6/6
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- OKC
L 99-107 0 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Mon 6/4
- vs
- OKC
L 103-108 1 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Sat 6/2
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- OKC
L 103-109 2 0-1 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Thu 5/31
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- OKC
L 82-102 23 0-4 .000 0-3 .000 0-0 .000 4 1 0 0 4 1 0 Tue 5/29
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- OKC
W 120-111 17 1-2 .500 1-2 .500 1-2 .500 2 1 0 0 2 0 4 Sun 5/27
- vs
- OKC
W 101-98 11 0-2 .000 0-2 .000 0-0 .000 3 2 0 0 1 1 0 Conference Quarterfinals 10.8 0.2-1.8 .111 0.2-1.4 .143 0.2-0.4 .500 1.8 0.8 0.0 0.0 1.4 0.4 0.8 Sun 5/20
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- LAC
W 102-99 16 2-4 .500 1-1 1.000 0-0 .000 2 2 0 0 4 0 5 Sat 5/19
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- LAC
W 96-86 10 1-4 .250 1-3 .333 0-0 .000 0 1 0 0 0 0 3 Thu 5/17
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- LAC
W 105-88 13 1-3 .333 0-2 .000 0-0 .000 2 0 0 1 3 0 2 Tue 5/15
- vs
- LAC
W 108-92 8 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 3 0 1 0 1 0 0 Conference Semifinals 11.8 1.0-2.8 .364 0.5-1.5 .333 0.0-0.0 .000 1.8 0.8 0.3 0.3 2.0 0.0 2.5 Mon 5/7
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- UTAH
W 87-81 20 1-4 .250 1-3 .333 2-3 .667 4 1 1 1 2 0 5 Sat 5/5
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- UTAH
W 102-90 16 1-2 .500 1-2 .500 0-0 .000 1 0 2 0 4 0 3 Wed 5/2
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- UTAH
W 114-83 9 0-1 .000 0-1 .000 0-0 .000 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 Sun 4/29
- vs
- UTAH
W 106-91 20 3-5 .600 3-4 .750 0-0 .000 4 1 0 0 2 1 9
Matt Bonner for DPOY!
You sort of have to blame the guy that made him a starter and first big off the bench. In that role he was a worthless stiff. It was never Bonner's fault. He always gave it his best.
Bonner gets minutes in blowouts - check
Bonner's first round shooting - 42%
Bonner's second round shooting - 36%
Bonner's third round shooting - 11%
By the way, Bonner is 10-3. He was only benched for one game. Learn to read your own stats.
There are definitely racist and bigoted people on this site, but in Bonner's case it's not racism so much as fans being mad that Pop was playing him over a more talented player in Tiago.
Manu, Splitter, and Baynes are white and nobody has a problem with those guys. It's about results.
You can even see in this thread that for most people Bonner's okay in the regular season for 10-15 a game.
They're white, but not ginger. For some reason it's okay for people to be racist against gingers on this site, tbh.
I'm wondering if Dr. Robert Lee has a point. Racism isn't the right term to use here, but it is possible that the Bonner-hate stems from him not looking like many posters on this site. I mean, he was revered in Toronto, and there's a lot less brown up there.
I don't really think it's true (the playoff explanation seems far more likely), but it's something to keep our eyes open to imo.
Huh? Where do you get this "fact" from? It certainly wasn't last year's playoffs. Not trying to be a here, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.Bonner starts getting a mul ude of DNP-CD and the Spurs suddenly improve substantially defensively... that's not eyeball, that's fact. coincidence or small sample size?
It's not that he doesn't resemble many posters on this site, it's that he doesn't resemble many NBA players.
The playoff explanation is the real reason. Bonner was an ST favorite during his early days with the Spurs when he was used primarily as an energy big off the bench. Somewhere in the archives you can find a Matt Bonner/Chuck Norris thread.
2009-2010 RS Defensive Efficiency:
#9 San Antonio Spurs - 102.0
2010-2011 RS Defensive Efficiency:
#11 San Antonio Spurs - 102.8
2011-2012 RS Defensive Efficiency:
#11 San Antonio Spurs - 100.6
this season so far:
#4 San Antonio Spurs - 98.4
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/tea...t/defensiveEff
As is the "Robert Horry Replacement" reason and the "Starting all the games" reason and the "First big off the bench" reason.
I'm sure the "Why do we need Scola, we already have Bonner who can actually shoot" reason entered into it at one point.
I'm fine with his current 11mpg... even in the playoffs. Not enough time to do major damage in case of choking.
Thank you, I definitely do appreciate the digging.
But, that's far from convincing. To say the Spurs are better defensively without Bonner, you'd have to show stats of with Bonner vs. without Bonner. To show four seasons and say that ties to Bonner's minutes drop (avgs of 18, 22, 20, and 12, respectively) is a tenuous argument. There are far too many other variables.
This year, the Spurs have given up 0.6 points more per 100 possessions when Bonner is OFF the floor (http://www.82games.com/1213/12SAS11.HTM). Last year, the number was 0.8 points, again in Bonner's favor. Conclusive? Absolutely not, but it's a strong indicator that he's not a defensive liability.
Last edited by Drz; 01-30-2013 at 06:05 PM.
And he won't even get that much. His mpg number is inflated by averaging over 24 mpg in the five games that Duncan has rested. In the other 42 games, he has 7 DNP-CDs and averages barely 10 mpg, much of it in garbage time.
whatever
let's just be thankful it seems Pop has seen the light in regards to the scrub that is Bonner
anything over 10 mins a game for Bonner is a forfeit of the season IMO
Those rankings/stats are completely misleading if you look at them in a vaccuum. Plenty of other names in there besides Bonner who are clearly below average defenders. But these rankings were based purely on opponent PER and thus rewards players who most often are only required to defend the opposing team's weakest offensive wing or big. I'd probably have the lowest opponent PER too if I was a PF who never had to guard the Blake Griffin's or Dirk Nowitzki's of the league and instead just had to worry about shutting down the Trevor Booker's.
I agree there are far too many variables. I disagree it's mere coincidence.Thank you, I definitely do appreciate the digging.
But, that's far from convincing. To say the Spurs are better defensively without Bonner, you'd have to show stats of with Bonner vs. without Bonner. To show four seasons and say that ties to Bonner's minutes drop (avgs of 18, 22, 20, and 12, respectively) is a tenuous argument. There are far too many other variables.
Bonner never has been a bad regular season player. It's just not sustainable and doesn't translate to the playoffs.
I'm glad Pop is going a different route this time, and is seemingly paying dividends even in the regular season.
lol you ginger, brah?
I am blonde hair, blue-eyed.
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