I don't think Hollinger is done, tbh. Randolph may be next to go. Freeing up time for Davis to start at PF for 1/8th of their previous starting PF's salary.
Maybe, but that would mean he likely does not believe they are contenders and I can't believe that. This move makes sense, but because even though Gay is gone, this likely doesn't hurt their chances. Randolph on the other hand has a good PER (second highest on the team) and even Hollinger knows you need some decent contracts on the books (which Zbo and Marc are living up to their contracts, Gay was not).
They just gutted their bench (Speights/Ellington trade to Cavs) and got rid of their best perimeter player (even though he's vastly overpaid for his terrible decision making/efficiency; he was still their best weapon on the perimeter). If he thought they had a real chance at a championship, I don't think he makes these deals. These moves weren't made to win now, imo.
Exactly. I like advanced stats too, but this is a perfect example of why they're not everything. Spurs fans adhere to that when it's a player they're nostalgic about, like Jackson, but when it's a player they don't care about on a team they don't care about, suddenly advanced stats are the be all end all. The difference between Randolph and Davis is, Randolph can be an offensive centerpiece type. Davis, on the other hand, is and always will be an ancillary scorer. You're bang on with your assessment of him.
They can have all the financial flexibility they want, the bottom line is, for the reasons I've already stated, they'll be hard pressed to build a team as good as the one they had, let alone better. A Gasol, Conley, Davis core isn't great and I don't think they'll get a massive piece for Randolph, either.
As for the Pistons, this is an outstanding move. They clear long term salary, get a quality, play making PG and a guy who could make Drummond an even more serious threat in the pick-and-roll, while eliminating their logjam at SF.
Meh, I don't LOVE this trade for any of the teams. It's especially stupid for Toronto ... but that's to be expected. They are, IMO, the worst run team in the NBA. Everything they do is just dumb.
Rudy Gay isn't that good. He's a scorer who is inefficient, doesn't fit well in a system and requires a ton of touches. When your other two players on the perimeter are Lowry and DeRozan -- both of who also require a lot of touches -- it's just a damn bad fit. Add in Bargnani and they'll have the market cornered on players who look decent in the box score but who don't actually help win much.
For Gay to be utilized the best, he'd need to be in a system that uses his length on defense and is desperate enough offensively to live with his inefficiency. Like, say, I don't know, the Grizzlies, for example.
As for the Grizzlies, getting Davis back is a good get. He's not a great fit for their roster but any time you can get a competent big with potential, you're happy. Tayshaun Prince is the consummate pro who is basically the opposite of Gay. He takes good shots, never turns it over and plays to win. He's also a plus defender ... even though he's a long ways from his prime in that category. Daye doesn't really move the needle; he's still painfully raw.
I'm not sure what the Pistons are doing, tbh. They desperate need a point guard (Knight, Stuckey, Bynum, etc. are all shooting guards in reality) and Calderon should really help Monroe and Drummond. Calderon might help Detroit slip into the 8th seed ... but what's the point? A lottery pick would help the team better long-term ... and Calderon is a rental who will probably make too much money this offseason, especially considering he's probably going to fall off a cliff soon.
Going back to Memphis, this trade will make them better defensively ... but they were already elite. It will give them better bigman depth ... but they already had elite bigman depth. They can run more through their bigs offensively ... but they really don't have the shooters to space the court it order for their bigs to carry the complete load. Losing Gay probably raises their floor on a night to night basis but it also lowers their ceiling. Gay can become unguardable and carry their offense. Prince nor Davis is going to provide that. For an already offensively inept team, taking a step backwards on O is risky ... especially when you do it in order to strengthen what already were strengths to begin with.
Made the Grizz strength stronger while freeing up some shots for their big 3, can't say it's a bad trade for them.
The DeRozan Gay combination of volume scorers is gonna suck balls imo, but since Collangelo is a re , is there any way we can talk him into sending Ross our way...
Due to Memphis and Toronto being over the cap, the 50% trade rule is invoked. Memphis and Toronto had to be no more than 150% plus $100,000 of the salary given out, or no more than $5,000,000 (whichever is lesser), for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradech..._trade/6221252
freed up more shots for the other players! Great, now when teams double whos going to kill them? Tony Allen? Tayshaun Prince?
Dont understand this trade.
Follow the money.
Freed up money doesnt win rings.
ask the Spurs with the Scola trade.
Right. Memphis is going to struggle to score, especially if Randolph gets injured or in foul trouble. They will be great on defense. But their games will be unwatchable. Even the defense-heavy Spurs of the 2000s at least had Ginoboli and Parker, and for the more refined basketball afficionado, Tim Duncan, perhaps the all-time best at his position as a reward for watching. This Memphis team will give new meaning to the phrase "win ugly."
None of the moves really dampen their chances now. Speights is easily replaced by Authur/Davis. Actually, big improvement now basketball wise. Ellignton is not an NBA player IMO. And if they bring in a guy like Delonte West, they are better their too. Losing Gay does hurt their scoring some, but overall, that doesn't really make them any less of a contender in reality. Losing Zbo would most definitely do that if they went the moneyball route there. To me, that is the difference.
Darrell Arthur at SF, Prince and Conley.
Doesn't exactly suck. Besides with a three big man rotation of Gasol Zbo and Davis and a SF like Arthur, won't be exactly easy to grab a ing rebound against them.
I think Memphis just got better. Prince is fine as half-price, less demanding Gay replacement and Davis really makes the big line-up solid. Spurs won't get any breaks when the Grizzlies to their bench. Luckily Pop isn't burying his best frontcourt players as much as he used to because of idiotic fairness issues.
And Toronto is epically dumb. Forget about how Gay fits into their schemes and alongside Lowry and DeRozan, just look at the salaries for their small forwards:
Gay - 17.9 million in 2013-14
Fields - 6.25 million in 2013-14
Kleiza - 4.6 million in 2013-14
28.75 million on small forwards? LOL.
They can amnesty Kleiza, but they are still screwed. Fields can't shoot so he's garbage at SG. They just spent a lotto pick on Ross. Where does he play now? Scrub back up minutes behind DeRozan? Way to waste a lotto pick. They could have had Drummond to step in after a Davis trade, but no, Colangelo is a buffoon.
Colangelo might not be the worst GM in the league, but he makes a good case. He has stiff compe ion from guys like Petrie and Blanks though.
They weren't favorites to win a ring & this keeps them likely at the same level with an equal chance of being a better overall team due to fit as they are at being worse due to losing Gay's potential scoring ability and it saves them loads of money.
They could very well move DeRozan if they believe Ross is the guy. He has value and would lessen the financial load. Plus, I have to imagine they are still looking to move Bargs if they can.
I like this for Memphis. Davis is a good prospect and Prince can fill in for Gay. As for this season, this is probably a good thing if the Spurs were to matchup vs Memphis. Randolph isn't the player he was a couple years ago and Memphis is going to have a tough time scoring against anyone without Gay.
You said you didn't understand trade. I explained it to you. Memphis placed a higher priority on financial health than on maximizing their le chances this season. The two trades that they've made over the last week or so have taken them out of the tax, saved about 12M in salary this season, and shaved at least 15M off of future obligations. Follow the money to understand what Memphis has been doing since the new owner hired Hollinger.
One thing about the DET 1st round pick timvp. It belongs to the Bobcats now. DET used it to dump Ben Gordon and his massive contract.
It's lottery protected for the 2013 draft, so It makes sense for DET to lose the pick right now in this weak draft instead of losing it in a better draft, like the 2014.
Hard to move DeRozan when they just gave him a 4 year, 38 million dollar extension. Which hasn't even started yet. There has to be some base year compensation issues there with the new CBA which could hinder a trade for awhile. And this ignores how much Colangelo has gushed about how special DeRozan is.
Prince shoots 43.4% from three this year. And should be good getting set up from Gasol.
They already did and they might actually net a win with their improvement defensively.
Not saying it's likely, or even will happen this year, but might make sense if Ross they believe to be the future and want to open up time.
I agree with TD21 . There's no way the Grizzlies should have moved Gay without getting back at least one strong scoring wing. Toronto had two in Derozan and Ross. If you replace Davis with Ross, I think this trade is an obvious win for Memphis. I don't think they got good value. Advanced stats be damned.
I'll wait to see what Detroit does after this. There is talk that they may move Stuckey. If they can get back a player like Sullinger from Boston, then that could be good. They probably could make use of Courtney Lee right now. Maybe they try to trick the Jazz into giving up some talent for one of their guards.
I actually like the deal for Toronto. In my opinion, they got Gay for a steal. They still have some pieces if they want to try to get another good player.
It's funny that he won't play his best lineups late. He has no belief in advanced stats. Tony Allen should absolutely be on the floor for defense late in games, but he insists on playing other wings. Hollinger is playing Billy Bean to his Art Howe by trading his "crutch" players.
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