TP relies on a combination of speed and craftiness to get into the lane, which allows him the high shooting percentage and also contributes to more assists on kickouts. It is inevitable that he will slow down in the next few years which will decrease the speed component of his game. Will it be possible for him to remain just as effective for 3-4 more years by adjusting his game somehow or will his MVP caliber window close in the next year or two? I feel like TP is better than ever now, a more complete player, so I hope he can remain at his peak for at least awhile somehow.
Thoughts?
he was suppose to decline around this time but that looks like its not happening
he still isnt a good enough shooter or defensive player to play til his late 30s like Kidd and Nash
i see him having 2 good years max before he falls off
i think he retires with Duncan tbh
dont think a contender will want an older parker and I dont see him coming off the bench or leading the Spurs to 8 seeds
Ugh, sometimes I hate the internet.
His shooting and passing seem to improve every season. Even without elite speed his touch around the rim and his floater can compensate
he benefits playin in a league where defense is a lost art.....
dont even bring up the compe ion he plays against his position....the only time he beats them h2h is when those guys are either on the bench casual clothes, or playing with some injury...
i give tony the benefit of the doubt what he has achieve fuss far due to the above variances....
he will continue to get his and play the same style without changing, as long his in hero ball mode....remember individual glory >>> spurs glory
the only time he gets exposed is when a wing player is on him....
Lol, Parker is probably an average/above average defender at his position/
great rational for why he wont..
please take your ty takes back to realgm tbh
Good player who at times is Great, but for the most part he will always just be a good player. IMO
Dumb is not worth a considered reply.
How far this site has fallen....
What you mean? Players bad good or great! You not 'Merkan??
Parker said few days ago that he wanted to play another 7-8 years.
TP's game isn't dependent on speed alone. It's his change of pace, like Tim, TP's ability to change pace is a form of fundamental brilliance. The change is sudden, quick, and deadly with balanced footwork born from soccer and intellectual corporate knowledge replete with trust of the personnel. TP could be like Nash at high levels in his Mid 30's. Lucky for the Spurs, TP is only 30.
I've been watching hoops since the early 70's and there aren't many PG's who were speed players that lasted too long after their 30's but reality is, with Pop, TP has the added benefit of playing TEAM 1st ball. All those other PGs were forced to carry so much more than just playmaking. Randy Smith, John Lucas, Mo Cheeks, Tiny Archibald, and Allen Iverson. Lots of responsibility, all played for teams where they were primary components for what success there team got, but whose teams did not have any real balance except for Mo Cheeks, who got a ring with Dr. J
TP will continue to be awesome as long as the Front Office can give him a balanced team to work with. When Tim is gone, the balance has to shift but still be balanced with hopefully continued growth of in-house talent and/or infusion of new talent. If that's the case, Spurs fans don't have to worry about the PG position except for any unforeseen injury.
Last edited by Man In Black; 02-02-2013 at 03:51 AM.
Do you really see an older Parker wanting to carry a core of Parker/Leonard/Splitter to first round exits in a stacked western conference
also dont know if any other contender would want or need him
every up and coming and le contending team has their point guard of the future
the only team that doesnt is miami but i think theyre fine with letting lebron handle the ball
I dont see Tony playing past 15 seasons in the nba much less 19-20
also dont see him wanting to back up young guys off the bench
Kevin Johnson and Isiah both played about 14 seasons and i think theyre more accurate comparisons to Tony
Is it possible he plays in France once his contract is up with San Antonio
i know Manu has been speculated to finish his basketball career playing in Argentina
Some Spurs fans are ing idiots.
Tony Parker has had an MVP-caliber year, and for most Spurs fans he is just 'good'. You guys have no idea what you are even witnessing. While we inevitably will start seeing a decline in his speed in 2-3 years, he arguably has the best midrange shot of any guard in the league, is top 5 at getting to basket/finishing, has greatly improved his 3 point shot and vision/playmaking. Above-average defensively. Leader of this team. He isn't just a guy who is faster than everyone anymore - his game has evolved to the point where he is now just the best all around PG in the league.
A ton of fail in this post. Do you really think this team is going to carry forward with just those three players? SA will have a ton of cap space in 2014 and 2015, and there are some really big-name free agents that will be available. If Tiago does get a huge contract this offseason/leaves and Manu re-signs for 6-7 mil/yr, we will have space to sign a max free agent. Oh yea, we also have a miracle worker in RC Buford.
so how did that capspace work out in 2003 when we had the best player on the planet and we came off a championship btw
those 3 players will be san antonios core who will be signed to 8-10 million type salaries
ask Mark Cuban what you can do with cap space, their offseason situation is a best case scenario for spurfan with what we could do with capsapce
Buford will possibly be gone to Seattle and we wont have lottery picks
as much as spurfan doesnt want to believe it superstars win in the nba
SA wont build a contender of the 20-30 range picks well get
All Buford has done is surround our big 3 with guys who can play defense and hit 3s
if they werent in San Antonio getting wide open shots they would look like garbage everywhere else which is why they were drafted in the 30-60th range in the first place
and i know parker owns a team in france but thats business
has nothing to do with him wanting to go play there
hes an icon in france so it is possible he goes and finishes his basketball career there when the spurs are done aka when Duncan retires
Last edited by freetiago; 02-02-2013 at 04:03 AM.
Seriously-Why is it that you do not know that Tony is an owner of ASVEL and at 1 time, he already had a contract with his own team during the lockout period?Is it possible he plays in France once his contract is up with San Antonio
How you can have these opinions of TP yet not know that his play outside of San Antonio almost makes it seems as if you don't really know anything about Spurs basketball. I'd ignore you but truth is, I enjoy the laughter.
Tony Parker. Manu Ginobili. Tiago Splitter. Kawhi Leonard. Yeah, RC has just put some ty talent around Duncan because any GM in the league could do it. Actually, Isiah Thomas is available, let's just get him instead.
So you believe that RC can still find gems in the late second round who will become future hall of famers...
and you seem to lack reading comprehension as well
my post said surround the big 3
think more of
roger mason
keith bogans
matt bonner
blair
jefferson
neal
green
finley
udoka
hill
and the other guys hes put around them since 07
Kawhi was also acquired by trading a valuable young assest
he wasnt drafted with our fringe playoff 15th pick
What the you think the Spurs have been doing since Tim Duncan came and turned the league on it's ear? They've been using those picks and lower to fill defined roles.SA wont build a contender of the 20-30 range picks well get
A model that numerous franchises have copied, complete with poached former Spurs front office people. Why do you think Boston merged KG and Ray with Pierce, Miami LBJ and Bosh with Wade? The Spurs started that, the league is just a copycat league. It may look different because teams have different skill sets but the template remains SPURS, get a solid Big 3 and build around that. It's worked so well that just about all of those team have at least made the playoffs with some making it to the finals and WINNING.All Buford has done is surround our big 3 with guys who can play defense and hit 3s
This is the part that cracks me up the most. You make it seem as if being Top 15 guarantees success. WTF are you smoking man?if they werent in San Antonio getting wide open shots they would look like garbage everywhere else which is why they were drafted in the 30-60th range in the first place
Here are the Top 15 players drafted for the last 5 years:
2012
Anthony Davis Starter
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Starter
Bradley Beal Starter
Dion Waiters Starter
Thomas Robinson Bench
Damian Lillard Starter
Harrison Barnes Bench
Terrence Ross Bench
Andre Drummond Bench
Austin Rivers Bench
Meyers Leonard Bench
Jeremy Lamb Bench
Kendall Marshall Bench
John Henson Bench
Moe Harkless Bench
Spurs Drafted lower and got Marcus Denmon NOT IN THE NBA
2011
Kyrie Irving Starter
Derrick Williams Starter
Enes Kantner Bench
Tristan Thompson Bench
Jonas Valuncinas Bench
Jan Vesely Bench
Bismack Biyombo Starter
Brandon Knight Starter
Kemba Walker Starter
Jimmer Fredette Bench
Klay Thompson Starter
Alec Burks Bench
Markieff Morris Starter
Marcus Morris Starter
Spurs got KAWHI LEONARD STARTER
Spurs Drafted lower and got Corey Joseph Bench and Adam Hanga Stashed in Europe
2010
John Wall Starter
Evan Turner Starter
Derrick Favors Bench
Wesley Johnson Bench
DeMarcus Cousins Starter
Epke Udoh Bench
Greg Monroe Starter
Al-Farouq Aminu Starter
Gordon Hayward Starter
Paul George Starter
Cole Aldrich Bench
Xavier Henry Bench
Ed Davis Bench
Patrick Patterson Starter
Larry Sanders Starter
Spurs Drafted lower and got James Anderson Bench with different team and Ryan Richard Stashed in Europe
Got Gary Neal as a Free Agent
2009
Blake Griffin Starter
Hasheem Thabeet Bench
James Harden Bench
Tyreke Evans Starter
Ricky Rubio Bench
Jonny Flynn NOT IN THE NBA
Stephen Curry Starter
Jordan Hill Bench
DeMar DeRozan Starter
Brandon Jennings Starter
Terrence Williams NOT IN THE NBA
Gerald Henderson Starter
Tyler Hansbrough Bench
Earl Clark Starter
Austin Daye Bench
Spurs Drafted lower and got DeJuan Blair Bench, Nando DeColo Bench, and Jack McClinton waived by Spurs and now in the D League.
2008
Derrick Rose Starter
Michael Beasley Bench
OJ Mayo Starter
Russell Westbrook Starter
Kevin Love Starter
Danilo Gallinari Starter
Eric Gordon Starter
Joe Alexander NOT IN THE NBA
DJ Augustin Bench
Brook Lopez Starter
Jerryd Bayless Bench
Jason Thompson Bench
Brandon Rush Bench
Anthony Randolph Bench
Robin Lopez Starter
Spurs Drafted lower and got George Hill and Goran Dragic. Both are now Starters with different teams.
Top 15 doesn't mean . Only some of those players are now at All-Star level and the rest are starters with low level teams or bench contributors on stronger teams. The Spurs have made both shrewd draft picks and signed fiscally responsible contracts. That will not change once Tim decides to hang it up. Bank on that!
You missed the part where Tim Duncan and probably Ginobili wont be on the team in 3 years
they cant build around them
and no the spurs didnt start the "big 3"
youve been watching basketball since the 70s and you somehow dont realize that every team thats every won has been stacked with multiple hall of fame talents
bird parish mchale
johnson kareem worthy
jordan pippen rodman
hakeem drexler
shaq kobe phil
lebron dwade bosh
a parker/leonard/splitter/role players is good enough to make the playoffs but not win anything
theyll be a slightly improved version of houston
and when did i say top 15=sucess in my post
all you idiots seem to be doing is putting words/ideas in my posts that i never even posted
how many point guards have led their teams to les
Magic, Isiah...
and a past his prime parker is suppose to join that list
truth is the spurs arent a place where true max level caliber players will want to join in free agency, they can get a solid player to join but only by overpaying relative to his value (see rudy gay)
and the draft game has evolved to where you wont find championship caliber impact players in the late first/second round
the occasional george hill/chandler parsons type player can pop up but they wont be part of a featured core to win a le
when ginobili was drafted they didnt even have a picture of him to show
now they have videos on every obscure player
nobody even knew who adam hanga was and they found highlight videos to show of him playing
If they go full rebuilding, you better believe that a 30 years old Tiago will be traded, he will be our Verajao. And before Tony and Manu both go away because without elite playmakers he will look ordinary as .
TP said himself he wants to play a few more years, the only question is will it be with the spurs and will he stay healthy to play as long as he wants.
I wonder if TP will look to go more into the post at the end of his career. He has great footwork and is stronger than he looks.
A guy like Andre Miller at age 36 is still getting to the rim wih consistency and converting at a high clip (64% vs. 68% for TP) even though he is everything but fast. You would think that Tony would figure out a way to do so as well.
Did you say EVERY TEAM that's ever won had multiple players of hall of fame caliber? You said EVERY.youve been watching basketball since the 70s and you somehow dont realize that every team thats every won has been stacked with multiple hall of fame talents
bird parish mchale
johnson kareem worthy
jordan pippen rodman
hakeem drexler
shaq kobe phil
lebron dwade bosh
1975 Warriors only had Rick Barry and a bunch of role players.
1977 Blazers only had Walton and a bunch of role players of which the most well known is Maurice Lucas.
1979 Supersonics Dennis Johnson and a bunch of role players.
2004 Chauncey Billiups - a superstar less TEAM.
Well, you did say every team that's ever won. So, I've just shown you...you're wrong.
All things will flux. Miami will have to deal with LBJ's contract eventually. Bean ain't getting any younger and neither is Steve Nash. Boston just lost Rondo and Sullinger for the rest of the season, so that team will have to change. Continuity and cohesion and chemistry is a big part of why Spurs basketball is the sum of the whole is ALWAYS better than that it's parts alone. You can go half-empty. I'll go half-full as long as this front office stays in place, TP will play well and the team is a viable playoff threat throughout.
We will see what the FO can do when it's time for Tim to go to Blackjack full time and Manu decides to have steak in Bahia Blanca. There is this season still to be played and currently, no one is playing point guard better than Tony Parker.
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