Job hunting tips

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You have an incredibly myopic view of those who serve and the reason they join.

I would argue that there are just as many who go to college and grad school because they have no idea what they want to do with their lives, but they rack up thousands of dollars in student loans to check a box instead of learning a trade and getting work experience.

I wouldn't disagree with that at all.

[GoodOdor]

They advertise it as a corporate social responsibility project, i.e. something done to help image, not profits.

"We're just doing our best to help those who are less fortunate than normal people, you know, the homeless, the drug addicted, the hungry, the veterans, etc"

[Blake]

Wow, AF Blue makes joining the military sound great!

[DeadlyDynasty]

Service before self

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Service before self

tbh

[Blake]

God
Corps
Country

Imo

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Dip s with their predictable and ignorant schtick taking the bait.

Like it or not, the military remains among the most respected professions and there are countless initiatives to get veterans employed.

Australia has it in their top 10. Facts fly in the face of whatever misguided stereotypes you idiots like to promote.

http://100000jobsmission.com/more_info

We know that one of the biggest issues facing men and women in the armed forces is finding good jobs when they leave active duty. Veteran unemployment is a pressing issue for our country. The unemployment rate for recent veterans ages 18-25 is significantly higher than the national average.

You can throw rhetoric around like "most respected" all you want, the stats show that veterans face unemployment at a much higher rate than normal. If private sector companies really valued military experience and were jumping at the bit to hire veterans, the stats would suggest something different.

The reason initiatives to get veterans hired exist is because they struggle to get jobs on their own once they leave duty. It's something done out of pity, not something done out of the company's self-interest. If it was done out of self-interest, there wouldn't be any initiative. Hiring veterans would take place on its own.

[AFBlue]

They advertise it as a corporate social responsibility project, i.e. something done to help image, not profits.

Direct quote from the website...

We believe that hiring veterans is not only the right thing to do for veterans, but it's a great thing to do for our businesses. Our nation's military and veterans represent the best this country has to offer and they bring meaningful skills to the workplace.

That's not social responsibility without respect for profitability. A better example of that may be the home Chase gives away to wounded veterans for free.

[AFBlue]

Both of us quoting the same article and reading two different things into it. It shows clear bias on both our parts.

But, the fact remains that military experience is viewed favorably and provides a clear advantage in the search for a job. Our Aussie friend Kurt would find hunting easier if he had it on his resume. Can't run away from it, no matter how you try to justify it as something other than smart business.

[GoodOdor]

Both of us quoting the same article and reading two different things into it. It shows clear bias on both our parts.

But, the fact remains that military experience is viewed favorably and provides a clear advantage in the search for a job. Our Aussie friend Kurt would find hunting easier if he had it on his resume. Can't run away from it, no matter how you try to justify it as something other than smart business.

Then why do veterans face a higher unemployment rate than civilians?

[AFBlue]

http://100000jobsmission.com/more_info



You can throw rhetoric around like "most respected" all you want, the stats show that veterans face unemployment at a much higher rate than normal. If private sector companies really valued military experience and were jumping at the bit to hire veterans, the stats would suggest something different.

The reason initiatives to get veterans hired exist is because they struggle to get jobs on their own once they leave duty. It's something done out of pity, not something done out of the company's self-interest. If it was done out of self-interest, there wouldn't be any initiative. Hiring veterans would take place on its own.

I don't know if you're up on current events, but there was a massive drawdown of troops in Iraq last year and another drawdown planned in Afghanistan. You can't expect a low unemployment rate when a flood of thousands of new entrants into the job market is combined with an economy in recession.

[Blake]

Then why do veterans face a higher unemployment rate than civilians?

It's even worse for women:

The portion of post-9/11 veterans seeking work fell to 9.7 percent last month, compared to 10.1 percent in August and 11.7 percent in September 2011, according to BLS figures.

However, nearly one out of five women who served in the military at home or abroad during the two wars is now without a job, the new BLS statistics show. As the U.S. troop drawdown continues in Afghanistan, the unemployment rate for post-9/11 female vets surged to 19.9 percent in September, compared to 14.7 percent a year earlier and 12.1 percent in August.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...ary-women?lite

[AFBlue]

Then why do veterans face a higher unemployment rate than civilians?

Read: drawdown (influx) + recession = greater than average unemployment relative to the civilian population.

[Blake]

I don't know if you're up on current events, but there was a massive drawdown of troops in Iraq last year and another drawdown planned in Afghanistan. You can't expect a low unemployment rate when a flood of thousands of new entrants into the job market is combined with an economy in recession.

Wow, even more great reasons to join the military!

[AFBlue]

Blake joining the butthurt clan

I can't help it that the military is viewed as a respected profession, having that experience is advantageous to getting a job, and it doesn't match with your view of a veteran.

[BUMP]

I can't help it that the military is viewed as a respected profession, having that experience is advantageous to getting a job

What kind of jobs are you referring to?

[ashbeeigh]

My brother in law just finished with the military, has a degree in like "Human Factors Engineering" or some bs and has been sitting on his butt since he got home in November living off his military unemployment. My sister, who has no degree and no military experience, came home and had a job within two weeks. Yep. That military work sure was a bonus for him.

At least that's one person that I'm making more money than.

[resistanze]

I can't help it that the military is viewed as a respected profession, having that experience is advantageous to getting a job, and it doesn't match with your view of a veteran.

Read: drawdown (influx) + recession = greater than average unemployment relative to the civilian population.

wat

[baseline bum]

"So, can you tell me about any instance where you had a conflict with someone, and how did you solve it?"

"There's this group of kids that used to throw rocks at me back in Afghanistan, so I shot them, then killed their families."

Then I threw their ing dog off the cliff

[BUMP]

My brother in law just finished with the military, has a degree in like "Human Factors Engineering" or some bs and has been sitting on his butt since he got home in November living off his military unemployment. My sister, who has no degree and no military experience, came home and had a job within two weeks. Yep. That military work sure was a bonus for him.

At least that's one person that I'm making more money than.

That's because he was looking for a big boy job in the engineering industry where they'll laugh in your face if you think you can just walk in there and expect to get a job because you were in the military. In those areas, employers only care about work experience/skill in the field and det's about it. Not just military but any other "respected" organization.

Let's say two guys, with computer science degrees, are applying for a software developing company.

1. Guy 1: Was an honorary member of the Boy Scouts, joined a million organizations in college, has a 3.4 GPA, tons of friends, social, outgoing, etc

2. Guy 2: Lives in his mom's basement eating his boogers, has no friends, doesn't know where the vagina is located, joins no organizations, 3.1 GPA, morbidly obese, has developed numerous software programs and is exceptional in Microsoft programs.

Guess who's getting the job?

[leemajors]

I dunno if Human Factors Engineering is a traditional "engineering" degree, seems mostly about workplace ergonomics.

[AFBlue]

My brother in law just finished with the military, has a degree in like "Human Factors Engineering" or some bs and has been sitting on his butt since he got home in November living off his military unemployment. My sister, who has no degree and no military experience, came home and had a job within two weeks. Yep. That military work sure was a bonus for him.

At least that's one person that I'm making more money than.

I'll trade one anecdote for another. I was out of the military for less than a month and am pretty sure I make double what you make.

[AFBlue]

What kind of jobs are you referring to?

You name it. Unless it requires a specific license the military doesn't offer, I'd say they have an advantage.

[AFBlue]

wat

Put simply...higher than average unemployment for veterans is largely due to external factors and not a general unwillingness to hire them as a specific bloc of the unemployed.

[AussieFanKurt]

how did this turn into an argument about the military