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    Oh, and cite the codification, please.
    waiting . . . are you talking about the AUMF, Dan?

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    waiting . . . are you talking about the AUMF, Dan?
    The AUMF is part of it, but the GOP Congress ignored while the Bush administration continued rendition, water-boarding, torture and yes, imprisoning Jose Padilla without a trial or access to representation....with or without going through the process, mostly because they were chicken , they singled to the administration that it was OK...

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    Or did I miss where they called in Gonzales for questioning in front of Congress...hummm...must have missed that...

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    I want some Obama lovers and supporters to defend their guy on drones and how they are huge hypocrites since they bashed the out of Bush for waterboarding and the war in Iraq yet most of them blindly support the drone war and the war in Afghanistan.

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    False equivalence tbh.

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    The AUMF is part of it, but the GOP Congress ignored while the Bush administration continued rendition, water-boarding, torture and yes, imprisoning Jose Padilla without a trial or access to representation....with or without going through the process, mostly because they were chicken , they singled to the administration that it was OK...
    Congress looked the other way during GWB's day, for Obama it passed the NDAA.

    btw, thanks for admitting Obama and the US Congress has either continued or codified in law -- i.e., made legal -- the Bush era violations of liberty and rule of law.

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    Congress looked the other way during GWB's day, for Obama it passed the NDAA.
    They passed a law to cover their war criminal butts...smh...

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    yeah, Obama did that, you love it, don't you?

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    you sure been defending it . . .

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    "John Brennan, President Barack Obama's nominee to head the CIA, had detailed, contemporaneous knowledge of the use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" on captured terrorism suspects during an earlier stint as a top spy agency official, according to multiple sources familiar with official records."*

    There's evidence that CIA Director nominee John Brennan had extensive knowledge of torture programs. Sure he allegedly "had reservations," but he didn't do anything about it.
    Cenk Uygur breaks it down.

    TYT: Obama CIA Nom Approves Torture?


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    Brennan's appearance today will be entertaining.

    The Repugs will go after him on drones (aka, Beghazi-fake-outrage mode), but not touch him on Repug-approved dubya/ head's torture.

    Of course, if Presidnet Bishop Gecko's drones were murdering planet-wide, the Repug and Fox would approve it vociferously.

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    Brennan's appearance today will be entertaining.

    The Repugs will go after him on drones (aka, Beghazi-fake-outrage mode), but not touch him on Repug-approved dubya/ head's torture.

    Of course, if Presidnet Bishop Gecko's drones were murdering planet-wide, the Repug and Fox would approve it vociferously.
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    Huffington Post:
    10 Questions to Ask John Brennan at His CIA Confirmation Hearing


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/medea-benjamin/10-questions-to-ask-john-_b_2623693.html


    John Brennan's confirmation hearing to become head of the CIA will take place at the Senate Intelligence Committee on Thursday, February 7. There is suddenly a flurry of attention around a white paper that lays out the administration's legal justification for killing Americans with drones overseas, and some of the Senators are vowing to ask Brennan "tough questions," since Brennan has been the mastermind of the lethal drone attacks. But why have the Senators, especially those on the Intelligence Committee who are supposed to exercise oversight of the CIA, waited until now to make public statements about their unease with the killing of Americans that took place back in September and October of 2011? For over a year human rights groups and activists have been trying, unsuccessfully, to get an answer as to why our government killed the 16-year-old American boy Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, and have had no help from the Senators' offices.

    We look forward to hearing the Senators question Brennan about the legal justifications used by the Obama administration to kill three Americans in Yemen, as we are deeply concerned about their deaths and the precedent it sets for the rights of U.S. citizens.

    But we are also concerned about the thousands of Pakistanis, Yeminis and Somalis who have been killed by remote control in nations with whom we are not at war. If CODEPINK had a chance to question John Brennan as his hearing on Thursday, here are some questions we would ask:

    1. You have claimed that due to the precision of drone strikes, there have been only a handful of civilian casualties. How many civilians deaths have you recorded, and in what countries? What proportion of total casualties do those figures represent? How do you regard the sources such as the Bureau of Investigative Journalism that estimates that drone casualties in Pakistan alone range from 2,629-3,461,with as many as 891 reported to be civilians and 176 reported to be children? Have you reviewed the photographic evidence of death and injury presented by residents of the drone strike areas? If so, what is your response?

    2. According to a report in the New York Times, Washington "counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants," unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent. Please tell us if this is indeed true, and if so, elaborate on the legal precedent for this categorization. In areas where the U.S. is using drones, fighters do not wear uniforms and regularly intermingle with civilians. How does the CIA distinguish between legitimate and illegitimate targets?

    3. In a June 2011 report to Congress, the Obama administration explained that drone attacks did not require congressional approval under the War Powers Resolution because drone attacks did not involve "sustained fighting," "active exchanges of fire," an involvement of U.S. casualties, or a "serious threat" of such casualties. Is it your understanding that the initiation of lethal force overseas does not require congressional approval?

    4. If the legal basis for the use of lethal drones is the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), can this authorization be extended to any country through presidential authority? Are there any geographic limitations on the use of drone strikes? Does the intelligence community have the authority to carry out lethal drone strikes inside the United States? How do you respond to the charge that the U.S. thinks it can send drones anywhere it wants and kill anyone it wants, all on the basis of secret information?

    5.
    Assassination targets are selected using a "disposition matrix." Please identify the criteria by which a person's name is entered into the matrix. News reports have mentioned that teenagers have been included in this list. Is there an age criteria?

    6. In Pakistan and perhaps elsewhere, the CIA has been authorized to conduct "signature strikes," killing people on the basis of su ious activity. What are the criteria for authorizing a signature strike? Do you think the CIA should continue to have the right to conduct such strikes? Do you think the CIA should be involved in drone strikes at all, or should this program be turned over to the military? If you think the CIA should return to its original focus on intelligence gathering, why hasn't this happened? As Director of the CIA, will you discontinue the CIA's use of lethal drones?

    7. Article 51 of the U.N. Charter, which the U.S. has implicitly invoked to justify strikes, requires that "measures taken by Members in the exercise of [their] right to self-defense... be immediately reported to the Security Council." Please elaborate on why the United States uses Article 51 to justify drone strikes but ignores the clause demanding transparency.

    8. The majority of prisoners incarcerated at Guantanamo Bay were found to be innocent and were released. These individuals landed in Guantanamo as victims of mistaken iden y or as a result of bounties for their capture. How likely is it that the intelligence that gets a person killed by a drone strike may be as faulty as that which put innocent individuals in Guantanamo?

    9. You have stated that there is little evidence drone strikes are causing widespread anti-American sentiment or recruits for extremist groups. Do you stand by this statement now, as we have seen an expansion of al Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula, possibly triple the number that existed when the drone strikes began? Do you have concerns about the "blowback" caused by what General McChrystal has called a "visceral hatred" of U.S. drones?

    10. If a civilian is harmed by a drone strike in Afghanistan, the family is en led to compensation from U.S. authorities. But this is not the case in other countries where the U.S. government is using lethal drones. Why is this the case? Do you think the U.S. government should help people who are innocent victims of our drone strikes and if so, why haven't you put a program in place to do this?

    Stay tuned to www.c-span.org at 2:30 p.m. on Thursday to hear the Senators' questions, Brennan's answers and the response from those of us in the audience who don't have many such occasions to express outrage at our government's policy of remote-controlled killing.

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    John Brennan and John Kiriakou: how to get ahead in the CIA, and how not to

    Kiriakou, who blew the whistle on CIA waterboarding, goes to prison, while Brennan, who approved it, is set to lead the agency

    Kiriakou will soon start serving his 30-month prison sentence, but not for disclosing anything about waterboarding. He pled guilty to disclosing the name of a former CIA interrogator to a journalist, with information that the interrogator himself had posted to a publicly available website.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/07/john-brennan-john-kiriakou-cia
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    John Brennan and John Kiriakou: how to get ahead in the CIA, and how not to

    Kiriakou, who blew the whistle on CIA waterboarding, goes to prison, while Brennan, who approved it, is set to lead the agency

    Kiriakou will soon start serving his 30-month prison sentence, but not for disclosing anything about waterboarding. He pled guilty to disclosing the name of a former CIA interrogator to a journalist, with information that the interrogator himself

    had posted to a publicly available website.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/07/john-brennan-john-kiriakou-cia
    What a damn shame

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    Thanks

    Submitting mine right now. Maybe it'll land me on the kill list, if I'm not already

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    Former Central Intelligence Agency officer John Kiriakou has been sentenced to 30 months behind bars for his role in blowing the whistle on the torture techniques imposed on detainees by the US government. On Thursday, dozens of human rights activist, journalists and friends congregated at a send-off banquet in Washington, DC one week before Kiriakou is expected to begin his sentence. RT Producer Rachel Kurzius joins us and explains what went down at the "Orange Ball" and what Kiriakou and his colleagues had to say about the war on whistleblowers and the current administration.

    Whistleblower John Kiriakou prison send-off banquet, overlooking corrupt White House: Trashes Obama's appointee for CIA director


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    Submitting mine right now. Maybe it'll land me on the kill list, if I'm not already
    you're more the useful idiot type.

    why would the government kill you when discredit your own cause continuously on bulletin boards?

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    When did Rachel Dratch start working for RT?

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    When did Rachel Dratch start working for RT?


    RT a liberals best friend.

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    RT a liberals best friend.
    Not sure if serious or just terrible troll.

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    Brennan's appearance today will be entertaining.

    The Repugs will go after him on drones (aka, Beghazi-fake-outrage mode), but not touch him on Repug-approved dubya/ head's torture.

    Of course, if Presidnet Bishop Gecko's drones were murdering planet-wide, the Repug and Fox would approve it vociferously.
    Rand Paul actively Filibustering Brennan right now.



    CSPAN live feed: http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

    Rand Paul: "I Will Speak As Long As It Takes" To Stop Brennan Nomination


    The Kentucky senator is filibustering John Brennan, the Obama administration's nominee to be CIA director, over the administration's drone policy.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczyn...stop-brennan-n

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    Rand Paul: "I lied about doing it as long as it takes."

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    Still trying to sabotage different threads bc I'm still massively butthurt, this makes me a troll

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    I'm on topic. Don't whine about me being mean because your hero lied to you.

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