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eh....nahhh he merely pivoted from my commentary calling out Lebron for playing in the east his whole career....even though not the true definition I like to call that war spin... sabre rattlingowned by Timvpdpoy.
He shut you down, chimp.
dirk 23 and 7 in that year, is enough to be in the mvp race? lol underwhelming by leCrab's standards, maybe, but still good enough to make it to the finals in his first year with a new team that only had 3 good players and bunch of bags otherwise, dirk has shown us over a decade on stacked teams how he consistently chokes until the one year, when he finally hits a hot shooting stretch, while lebron has been the best player consistently over the last 6 years, other than a poor shooting stretch over a small amount of games, to an unbiased observer its obvious who got lucky, its cool though, i know you gotta stick to your guns, alot of mavfan would get upset at you otherwise, luckily for me i don't share that concern brah
eh....nahhh he merely pivoted from my commentary calling out Lebron for playing in the east his whole career....even though not the true definition I like to call that war spin... sabre rattling
He shut you down, chimp.
not really...they're not true rivals...but they're younger, hungrier so their h2h stats may look a bit better...no big deal....especially since he's dangling 5 rangs... ;-)
disregard the conference compe ion, lets just look at the h2h matches between the lebron led cavs vs kobes lakers...there should be no excuse for kobe losing to this clown...lebron wont be doing with those cavs teams in the easts anyway, might as well disregard it...
if you wanna talk about kobe prime years, especially those 2 seasons after the shaq era that his fans say is his prime....that was mainly a 1 man team ball hog volume shooter chuckin up shots...i cant even give him the nod that is even prime years...
Revisionist history has been affected by Mike Brown's failures with the Lakers, tbh..most NBA fans, including many here, argued that Brown is a good coach and Lebron's limitations were the reason Brown's teams failed in the playoffs.. Lebron has certainly made improvements to his game, but he has also shown what he can do with legit #2/3 options..
Also, the Lakers have progressively declined since their last le, coinciding with Gasol's decline, in addition to their coaching question marks..Kobe has continued to play at a similar level, yet LA continues to worsen..
As for Dirk, despite Lebron's choking in the Finals, he had more overall responsibility on the Heat all year, despite Wade and Bosh..Lebron was forced to play both the Dirk and Chandler roles for his team, but failed at both during the Finals..
East was tougher in '09 -'10 than the West.
Kirby beat such powerhouses as the older SSOL Suns, the Utah Jazz, the Houston Rockets, the Denver Nuggets, and the young Thunder with a rookie 20 year old James Harden.
Now the early-mid 00s West was a in' gauntlet. But those were Shaq's teams, so that doesn't do much for Kobe's side of the debate.
You just better hope against hope James don't tie Kirby in Finals MVPs. If he does it this year, it's on.
wtf not true rivals? gtfo man
easts were never good untill u get into the later rounds of the playoffs, but those heat/celtics team had no business/excuse they are being pushed in the first rounds by the likes of the hawks, pacers, knicks...to longer series then expected
I see you have a lot of passion but I'm not impressed..really I'm not...just a small reminder to you that Laker fan don't judge Kobe's dominance over Duncan based on regular season H2H matches...it's really about the 4-1 h2h advantage Kobe has over Duncan in the play-offs...maybe my math is off a bit it's either 4-1 or 4-2 but Kobe holds the advantage...just ask your PER driven friend Midget....
you reaching for regular season matches makes you like petty..stop it..it's unbecoming...
You like that group the Spinners?
You must be good at excel pivot tables ?
very true, not denying he choked in the finals, but all dirk had to do was shoot the ball, while leCrab had to do everything on a new team, nazi dirk had very good supporting cast that did everything else, that cubes just got lucky with putting together, its no wonder mavs have been before and since, just a fluke run, maybe the next generation of mavfan will sniff a le in the distant future, IMO TBH
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u say individually wade or lebron is not a true rival to kobe
ok lets get this out in the open, 03/04 season we can say that the lakers started to become kobes team, in essence i forgot what year lebron and wade was drafted...but we can disregard what kobe has achieve so far, and lets base it on what he has achieved when he became leader of the lakers..cause it overlapse with the other 2 players entering the league and already contributing.....all 3 played on ty teams anyway, so i dunno how you can come up with excuses when they played h2h matches kobe has been outplayed by them individually b4 teaming up...
cant bring up playoffs, since they never met
H2H playoffs record meaning anything
Nash has a 2 to 1 advantage over Kirby.
Now you'll say "Well, Nash always had the better team."
As did Kobe. Lakers were favored in every playoff matchup aside from '99 since they always had the better team on paper. They even had the better team on paper in '99, but the Spurs were on such a roll going into that matchup, they had to be favored.
And let's not forget Kobe choosing to miss the playoffs and choke to the Suns during the time the Spurs had their best teams.
Depends on what you're looking at. Using RAPM as probably the best single publicly available stat(http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/), it's probably the 07/08 Season. He was a +8.2 per 100, Garnett a +8.4, but James played ~2500 extra posessions. From there, He's 1st, 1st, 2nd(to Dwight) 1st, then 2nd this year(to CP3), but Health probably pushes LeBron higher(Playing more possesions at that level makes him more valuable).
There are periods where other players have been better, Dirk in the finals, but those are short stretches.
Lebron went from a regular season 27 PPG in 46% shooting to 22 PPG in 35% in the Finals vs the spurs but i guess you will give your boy a pass as usual.For the record, LO average 20, 11, and 5 in that series.
But Kirby still had no help
And people seem to forget how much of a choker this dude was pre-ring despite putting up big numbers. Sure, his supporting cast wasn't great, i'll give you that but he choked vs SAS.
And you mentioned Kobe's drop in points in 06 vs the Suns like he was completely exposed as a fraud, when in reality he was still averaging 28 PPG in 50% shooting during that series
^ serious question:
is "kobe johnson" supposed to be ironic, cracks me up every time i see it
I just thought it was a cool pic and that's about it.^ serious question:
is "kobe johnson" supposed to be ironic, cracks me up every time i see it
Not saying Kobe is as good or a better passer than Magic... just in case spurfan cares and starts freaking out
How did he choke against the Spurs when they were heavily favored in the first place?Lebron went from a regular season 27 PPG in 46% shooting to 22 PPG in 35% in the Finals vs the spurs but i guess you will give your boy a pass as usual.
And people seem to forget how much of a choker this dude was pre-ring despite putting up big numbers. Sure, his supporting cast wasn't great, i'll give you that but he choked vs SAS.
And you mentioned Kobe's drop in points in 06 vs the Suns like he was completely exposed as a fraud, when in reality he was still averaging 28 PPG in 50% shooting during that series
No perimeter player would've excelled in James' situation. Not Wade. Not your beloved Kobe. He had no second option whatsoever. All the Spurs had to do was pack the paint with their number one interior defense to take away the drive and have Bowen play tight on him to take away his jumper.
As for Kobe against the Suns, his overall stat line looks nice because of that 50 point game. Aside from that, he didn't have one 30 point game. Take away his 50 point game and his average drops to 24 points per game on 47% shooting.
Against the Suns
everybody knew lebron had no chance in that series....Lebron went from a regular season 27 PPG in 46% shooting to 22 PPG in 35% in the Finals vs the spurs but i guess you will give your boy a pass as usual.
And people seem to forget how much of a choker this dude was pre-ring despite putting up big numbers. Sure, his supporting cast wasn't great, i'll give you that but he choked vs SAS.
And you mentioned Kobe's drop in points in 06 vs the Suns like he was completely exposed as a fraud, when in reality he was still averaging 28 PPG in 50% shooting during that series
now for kobe who went 3-1 on the suns with a butt sniff into next round....choked a series away
I just thought it was a cool pic and that's about it.
Not saying Kobe is as good or a better passer than Magic... just in case spurfan cares and starts freaking out
ah kk, wasn't sure if serious, after having 3 games of 10+ assists he becomes magic all of a sudden, that might make sense in the lg universe, not sure about here,
And he was exposed as a fraud. After his string of 50 point games that year and that overrated 81 point game, Rick Reilly creamed himself and stated "Kobe is better than Jordan," a quote which made the front page of SI. Dip Mark Jackson said the same thing.
Then he got shut down by the Suns and everyone realized how re ed they were to make such a comparison.
That logic is stupid and for some reason people like to throw it around a lot on ST, "If you take away the things a player does well, he becomes a bad player" Well, no genius but things don't work like that, you can't discredit Kobe based on a negative event that didn't happen. Kobe had that 50 point game period.How did he choke against the Spurs when they were heavily favored in the first place?
No perimeter player would've excelled in James' situation. Not Wade. Not your beloved Kobe. He had no second option whatsoever. All the Spurs had to do was pack the paint with their number one interior defense to take away the drive and have Bowen play tight on him to take away his jumper.
As for Kobe against the Suns, his overall stat line looks nice because of that 50 point game. Aside from that, he didn't have one 30 point game. Take away his 50 point game and his average drops to 24 points per game on 47% shooting.
Against the Suns
24PPG/47% still is a good performance but as do ented, Kobe averaged 28PPG/50% vs Phoenix.
Also, i don't know why you keep discrediting that Suns team. The same team that was tied 2-2 with the spurs during their 07 series before Amare and Diaw were suspended.
Last edited by Bynumite; 02-07-2013 at 02:10 AM.
probably when he took his talents to south beach, when they went on that crazy winning streak, he was on another level
your an interesting person, how you say thats overrated ill never understand.. they were down by like 18 and no one was doing , guy turns it on and single handedly on the raptors, idc how bad they were if 1 guy scores 81 on you thats shameful..
give the suns some credit that team was pretty ing good at the time... this guy is going down as one of the greatest whether you like it or not bra
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