Can't see us paying that for Blatche. We'd have a very hard time keeping him (he's on a 1 year contract, so no bird rights). He'd be fighting for 3ed big spot with Diaw. He's got size on Diaw, but Diaw has experience and defence on him. I can't see us paying a draft pick for a rental...
Congratulations, you found a trade that neither team would do.
Spurs might have had some regrets earlier this season to have not signed Blatche this summer but they are now fully gone with the rape case. I'm sure they aren't at all interested in getting him at the trade deadline.
Months ago, Bucks have been identified as a team with a logjam of bigmen that could help Spurs. Aside of players whom Spurs shouldn't be interested like Gooden or Dalembert, the player that is getting less and less minutes is Ekpe Udoh. he will be paid $4.5M next season, so Bucks might be interested in salary dumping him.
I could see that being possible during the draft, but it doesn't seem likely this season. The Spurs would either have to move Bonner and another contract or go into the tax. I don't think they need another big that badly. During the draft, though, it's possible that Udoh may be the best the Spurs find for Bonner's contract, and I doubt they'd have to give up another asset for Milwaukee to give him up if it gets to that point.
Bonner's salary is slightly higher than Udoh's. They can do a straight swap and stay under the tax.
Thanks for that. I was under the impression that Udoh was making close to $4.5 Million this year. In that case, it may be possible to make that trade, but I don't know if I'd be okay with getting rid of a floor-spacer for another center. Does Udoh have any perimeter skills?
Yeah now that we have Baynes I'm not sure about bringing in another big unless it's a clear cut upgrade like Garnett, Bonner is fine with being the 5th big and for a 5th big that's probably one of the most important things.
Udoh is also pretty underwhelming rebounder so I really don't see him moving up to 3rd or 4th big. I liked the idea before getting Baynes tho.
His shooting numbers aren't good and he doesn't rebound well for his size. I wouldn't trade Bonner for him. I'd rather hold out for something better or just pay him the 1M buyout to go away. Committing 4.5M to Udoh for next season doesn't make any sense to me.
not saying the Spurs should pursue him. Just posting the tweet.
Me neither. Chinook, he's more four than five. Think of a poor man's Ibaka. He can make a mid range shot, but not with the range, volume or consistency of an adept mid range shooter.
Given the obsession so many have with him, I can't believe it hasn't been posted, but Ford claims that Ilyasova (among others), are available. He doesn't say anything about the asking price, but given their flexibility going forward, I can't imagine they're looking to salary dump him, which means he's available in the same way almost every player is: for the right price.
Thanks for the clarification. I saw that he's started a couple of games at the five, which I why I thought he was a center. He doesn't sound terrible, but he also doesn't sound like a good fit. To be playing time on the Spurs, a player needs to have at least one viable offensive skill. If he can't shoot, that already sets him back. It'd help if he was great at the pick-and-roll. I'd rather have Mbah a Moute if I have to deal with a player with limited offense.
I still like Ilyasova, but I think he's more of an off-season target. The Spurs could wait until draft night and then offer a decent package of Bonner's semi-guaranteed, Green (and/or De Colo), and their 2013 and 2014 first-rounders. I can't see that happening unless they decide not to re-sign Splitter, though.
hearing rumors that dallas is looking to move carter/marion. cuban has said that the 'bank of cuban' is open so it makes sense that they'd like to clear some money for a big FA signing, an expiring contract like s-jax could be attractive to them. what are your thoughts? marion's defense on durant and lebron was a key to their 2011 playoffs run/championship and would seem like a great addition for us, carter has also impressed me with his willingness to play a role off the dallas bench and is playing pretty good D at this stage of his career. with jacksons play of late i wouldn't be opposed to the idea of moving him.
I take it you meant 2013 and 2015.
With this Ilyasova idea and the Spurs' supposed interest in Al Jefferson, let's go whole hog here:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bjnjnjp
SPURS
Pros: get two good offensive players to build around post-Duncan (assuming Jefferson is re-signed for 4 or 5 years at a reasonable salary), get a steady hand at backup PG for this season, clear out some of the logjam of guards and big men
Cons: major shakeup to chemistry of a team playing near .800 ball, lose a lot of depth, could lose Jefferson for nothing, stuck with Ilyasova if he sucks, leaves a hole at PF (who plays behind Diaw?)
JAZZ
Pros: get Jennings, get a chance to lock up Splitter (because he's restricted)
Cons: take on Gooden's salary, lose both Millsap and Jefferson (losing the ability to keep either one)
BUCKS
Pros: dump Ilyasova's and Gooden's salaries, get Millsap for the stretch run
Cons: lose Jennings, would have to cut a player or two due to roster limits
This trade isn't all that serious anyway. The Jazz wouldn't be getting enough, and the Spurs have to send out too many players to take back so much salary. You're right that Ilyasova is an offseason target if anything.
On a different note, the Spurs' alleged interest in Gelabale means that a trade is quite likely given that the Spurs already have 15 players. It could be something as simple as dumping Blair to a team with cap space and sending enough cash to cover his salary (the most likely move imo).
I didn't. On draft night, the Spurs can move both their 2013 and 2014 firsts, as 2013 would no longer be a future pick. (They'd technically be using their own pick and then moving the rights to whatever player they drafted.) That, Bonner's contract, and the fact that there is no penalty for going into the tax after the end of the regular season are the biggest reason why a draft-day trade is appealing. They're still limited on how much salary they can take back unless they move some contracts, so salary-dumping Blair and/or moving Neal for a pick could still on the docket for this season.
Apparently, the Gelabale thing is that the Spurs just admitted they had been interested before. I didn't take it to mean that they were still trying to sign him.
I didn't know that the 2013 pick wouldn't be considered a future pick on draft night. Also, the Spurs should have more flexibility then because they might have worked out a number with Manu by then, maybe with Jax if the Spurs want to keep him, and maybe even Splitter, allowing the Spurs to know where they stand compared to the cap and tax.
I just found the timing kind of odd, given that the Wolves have to make a decision on Gelabale soon, and if they decide not to keep him, the Spurs might have to act fast.
Yeah, on draft night, you're not actually trading picks. You're trading the rights of the players you draft. That's why Leonard and Bertans are not really the Spurs' picks. I think that there is a point on the day before the draft where you can't actually trade your picks.
When I say the Spurs need to dump salary, I mean they need to do it for trade rules, not for actually cap-managing purposes. Because the Spurs are so close to the tax line, they can only take back 125 percent of the salary they send out, which in the case of Bonner means they can only take back $4.5 Million. If they had room under the tax, they could take back 150 percent of the outgoing salary ($5.4 Million). That extra amount allows them to take back mid-level player in the first couple of years of their deals, or even a player like Derrick Williams. Trading just Blair allows the Spurs to take back $5.2 Million (Bonner's contract plus the remaining room under the tax), so event that makes a big difference.
Also I can't imagine Gelabale signing with the Spurs unless they get rid of Jack. Gelabale is going to want to play so that he can earn a decent contract next season, and sitting behind Green, Leonard, Manu and Jack in the very least won't help him do that. If the Spurs were to move Jack for a player at another position, that's another story.
Good point. All the talk of Jefferson and Gelabale, along with the Baynes signing, seems to point to the front office actively pursuing trades.
No problem.
I don't see Ilyasova as a trade target period. I think they're committed to Splitter/Diaw as their 2nd/3rd bigs and they're not paying that much for a fourth. I also think they're committed to Green as their starting SG and would only trade him if it was a no brainer.
The only areas I could see them looking to upgrade at the deadline or in the off season, are primary backup PG (if they don't make a move at the deadline, they'll probably just hope one of the young guys emerges in training camp/preseason and claims the job) and SF, as well as fourth big/3rd PF.
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+ Trust The Grizzlies are not done dealing, according to multiple sources -- they're just not looking to do any more
stripping. The Grizzlies are far enough under the luxury tax that they're willing to utilize at least part of their $7.5 million trade exception to add some perimeter help. Acquiring SG Courtney Lee, who Boston would consider flipping for some frontline help, was discussed but the Celtics aren't looking just to drop salary but add size. That, of course, is if they continue their current run since Rajon Rondo went down; the winning streak apparently has GM Danny Ainge feeling an obligation to KG and Paul Pierce to give them whatever he can to take one more shot rather than move one of his veterans and begin rebuilding.
Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard Sources: Nets & Bobcats discussing Ben Gordon for Kris Humphries trade. Nothing imminent but talks ongoing. Story on espn.con shortly
I think need backup PG too.
Colo has pass & IQ but ,,,
want PG young player or veteran minimum.
How about Shawn Marion? Said he only wants to be traded to a contender.
We can send SJax expiring + a midget or something, Cuban may like that enough to deal with us since he's all about free agency now.
How about Extended contract SJax next year ?
hou much ?
about 5M ? more low ?
Although I thinks that this year SJax is good trade item to be sure .
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