Heat: Lakers beatdown game thread

[Koolaid_Man]

Basketball prime is not age related. Many, many, many players become better as they age. With someone like Dwight Howard, you can definitely relate his physical prime to his basketball prime, but this isn't the case with a player like Kobe.

And if your hero was involved in this conversation, he'd laugh you out of the room for suggesting that athletic prime=basketball prime.

Burden of proof is on you, monkey. Prove to me Kobe was better at ages 22-24 than he was at ages 28-31. Show me the better playoff stats he posted when he was 22-24 (you can't). Show me the MVP he won at 22-24 (you can't). Show me the Finals MVPs he won at 22-24 (you can't).

Now here comes "he had to play with Shaq" excuse.

Hey Mr. Kiddie Porn with the OCD complex .....actually I can do you one better....here's what I will do for you since MVP awards (media voted) mean the world to you

Prime Kobe age 21 - 26..... back 2 back 2 back....

one crucial fact that evades your intellect is that the years you claim to be Kobe's prime when Lebron further advanced his h2h match-up against Kobe...Kobe won another b 2 b..but Lebron did win the h2h

[Koolaid_Man]

^ ohh I forgot one thing...now let me hear you say back 2 back 2 back was because of Shaq....

don't mention it - Touche Kool

[midnightpulp]

Hey Mr. Kiddie Porn with the OCD complex .....actually I can do you one better....here's what I will do for you since MVP awards (media voted) mean the world to you

Prime Kobe age 21 - 26..... back 2 back 2 back....

one crucial fact that evades your intellect is that the years you claim to be Kobe's prime when Lebron further advanced his h2h match-up against Kobe...Kobe won another b 2 b..but Lebron did win the h2h

And not 1 Finals or regular season MVP. Pretty ty prime.

Posting this again:



That said, if your argument is concerned about when his "athletic prime" was, I won't argue with you that it was during the 1st 3 peat. But that wasn't his "basketball prime," an entirely different concept.

[midnightpulp]

Simply question, Kool.

If Kobe's basketball prime was during the first 3 peat, then why did he become an even better scorer after age 25?

[Venti Quattro]

That Phoenix loss stung for them. Couldve been 5-2.

The goods.

[TIMMYtoZO]

No, he wasn't..

He made a post-up fadeaway in the middle, missed a post-up fadeaway from the left wing, and after putting a nice move on Lebron on the right wing, he drove and bricked a shot over Lebron and the help defenders..

It's irrelevant anyways, tbh..

Al-Quobe's monkey unit taking pride in arbitrary, unquantifiable individual achievements..

Harlem dropping truth bombs all over Kool.

[Koolaid_Man]

And not 1 Finals or regular season MVP. Pretty ty prime.

Posting this again:



That said, if your argument is concerned about when his "athletic prime" was, I won't argue with you that it was during the 1st 3 peat. But that wasn't his "basketball prime," an entirely different concept.

Hey my idiot friend... no matter how you slice it...even if you want to play semantics with the word prime...I'm still ting all over you...and generously....why? because ultimately if I agree that 08-10 is Kobe's basketball prime it means Lebron's h2h match-up is relegated to footnote status...why again?

because Kobe went to the finals 3 yrs in a row while Lebron refused to show up...even when Nike put out all those cartoon commercials out of Kobe and Lebron encouraging Lebron to make it..he left Kobe hanging...so mid you have a self defeating argument...while Kobe was winning b2b les Lebron was winning b2b MVP's....

again back to my original point...when trying to guard Kobe one on one regardless of Prime or at 34 Lebron cannot stay in front of Kobe...it's pretty amazing that he cannot stay in front of a 34 yr old Kobe...

again mid..I'm just glad the world is talking about Kobe and Lebron..and not that TOSB in SA...

[Koolaid_Man]

Harlem dropping bombs in his pants.

fify

[TIMMYtoZO]

This was a fun game despite the constant coasting from Miami. Lebron is raping everyone, so Metta should be cut some slack. The lob from Cole to James was nice. The Lakers should still make the playoffs. They won't go anywhere, but I see them getting in, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

Hey my idiot friend... no matter how you slice it...even if you want to play semantics with the word prime...I'm still ting all over you...and generously....why? because ultimately if I agree that 08-10 is Kobe's basketball prime it means Lebron's h2h match-up is relegated to footnote status...why again?

because Kobe went to the finals 3 yrs in a row while Lebron refused to show up...even when Nike put out all those cartoon commercials out of Kobe and Lebron encouraging Lebron to make it..he left Kobe hanging...so mid you have a self defeating argument...while Kobe was winning b2b les Lebron was winning b2b MVP's....

again back to my original point...when trying to guard Kobe one on one regardless of Prime or at 34 Lebron cannot stay in front of Kobe...it's pretty amazing that he cannot stay in front of a 34 yr old Kobe...

again mid..I'm just glad the world is talking about Kobe and Lebron..and not that TOSB in SA...

Nice try. But teams advancing to the Finals are, well, a team accomplishment. The facts of the matter are that Lebron bested Kobe statistically during Kobe's prime years. It's do ented in black-and-white and plain as day, and no amount of deflecting and side-stepping and bringing up 5 rings can change that hurtful fact for you.

Lebron outscores Kobe. Out rebounds him. Averages more assists. More blocks. More steals. And shoots a better percentage.

And again, nothing you can say or do will change those very painful facts.

[Koolaid_Man]

Simply question, Kool.

If Kobe's basketball prime was during the first 3 peat, then why did he become an even better scorer after age 25?

mid...we've been down this path...there's nothing that brings me more joy (well besides pussy) than being black and embarrassing you intellectually...just like I always do... ;-)

Let me answer your question in a very facetious manner...

Kwame Brown
Chucky Atkins
Smush Parker
Brian Cook
Luke Walton
Chris Mihm

[Koolaid_Man]

Nice try. But teams advancing to the Finals are, well, a team accomplishment. The facts of the matter are that Lebron bested Kobe statistically during Kobe's prime years. It's do ented in black-and-white and plain as day, and no amount of deflecting and side-stepping and bringing up 5 rings can change that hurtful fact for you.

Lebron outscores Kobe. Out rebounds him. Averages more assists. More blocks. More steals. And shoots a better percentage.

And again, nothing you can say or do will change those very painful facts.

naaah it's not painful because unlike you...I recognize Lebron's total accomplishments as nothing but empty stats in post war era... (i.e playing in the east)..

but if that makes you feel better to think that..then I can only imagine what

Kobe 5
Tosb 4 must do to your asshole at night - ;-)

[midnightpulp]

mid...we've been down this path...there's nothing that brings me more joy (well besides pussy) than being black and embarrassing you intellectually...just like I always do... ;-)

Let me answer your question in a very facetious manner...

Kwame Brown
Chucky Atkins
Smush Parker
Brian Cook
Luke Walton
Chris Mihm

Fail again.

Remember, I was clearly referring to when "Kobe had a team" from '08 to '10, and even then, Lebron still got the better of him. To be fair, Lebron hasn't demolished him, but has outperformed him consistently.

And you know what, that's nothing to be ashamed of. Lebron is the best player we've seen since Jordan, so it's expected he would outplay one of Michael's many imitators (Kobe).

[Ashy Larry]

That Phoenix loss stung for them. Couldve been 5-2.

could have eaily been 2-5 if they had ted in their pants in Charlotte and Detroit .... those s were lucky to get back to sunny Southern Cal with 4-3 record.

[Koolaid_Man]

Fail again.

Remember, I was clearly referring to when "Kobe had a team" from '08 to '10, and even then, Lebron still got the better of him. To be fair, Lebron hasn't demolished him, but has outperformed him consistently.

And you know what, that's nothing to be ashamed of. Lebron is the best player we've seen since Jordan, so it's expected he would outplay one of Michael's many imitators (Kobe).

That would be meaningful if it came from Jordan...but what did we hear from Jordan.... let me paraphrase.... you ready?

"Kobe's The Only Player That Can Be Compared To Me".

- MJ

[Koolaid_Man]

Fail again.

Remember, I was clearly referring to when "Kobe had a team" from '08 to '10, and even then, Lebron still got the better of him. To be fair, Lebron hasn't demolished him, but has outperformed him consistently.

And you know what, that's nothing to be ashamed of. Lebron is the best player we've seen since Jordan, so it's expected he would outplay one of Michael's many imitators (Kobe).

but if your premise is based off his scoring ability (remember you asked the specific question on why he became a better scorer) why would you exclude 2006 - 07 when he averaged the most points of his career that season 32.7 or so...you'd exclude that season and focus on his les seasons to make a point about a guy (Lebron) who had better stats but didn't win the le those years... mid in 5 words....you are a gotdam Moron

[midnightpulp]

That would be meaningful if it came from Jordan...but what did we hear from Jordan.... let me paraphrase.... you ready?
- MJ

Said before Lebron won the le.

And I wouldn't trust Jordan's opinion on talent. Guy is about the worst GM in history and drafted Kwame Brown number 1.

World hasn't ended yet for you, though. Finals MVP count is still Kobe 2, James 1. You can still sleep peacefully.

[Koolaid_Man]

Said before Lebron won the le.

And I wouldn't trust Jordan's opinion on talent. Guy is about the worst GM in history and drafted Kwame Brown number 1.

World hasn't ended yet for you, though. Finals MVP count is still Kobe 2, James 1. You can still sleep peacefully.

So you're saying we should trust you over MJ...a guy who's arguably the best to lace em up vs a guy who's self admitted OCD sufferer and thinks it's ok to sleep with 13 yr old girls...yeah I think I'll bet you on Mid...

[Fabbs]

And I wouldn't trust Jordan's opinion on talent. Guy is about the worst GM in history and drafted Kwame Brown number 1.

yep obvious is obvious.
Kirby no doubt covered some gambling debt for Bryant. Payback was Jordan lying like a rug.

[Koolaid_Man]

Said before Lebron won the le.

And I wouldn't trust Jordan's opinion on talent. Guy is about the worst GM in history and drafted Kwame Brown number 1.

World hasn't ended yet for you, though. Finals MVP count is still Kobe 2, James 1. You can still sleep peacefully.

so mid..What's "The le"

mid you really want to get your panties in a twist tonight...answer this for me..well maybe you shouldn't...is 1 le in Miami worth more than 4 in SA? @ "the le"

[midnightpulp]

but if your premise is based off his scoring ability (remember you asked the specific question on why he became a better scorer) why would you exclude 2006 - 07 when he averaged the most points of his career that season 32.7 or so...you'd exclude that season and focus on his les seasons to make a point about a guy (Lebron) who had better stats but didn't win the le those years... mid in 5 words....you are a gotdam Moron

I never consciously excluded them. I only did so because I thought you were interested in comparing the two players when "they each had a team" (your words). Granted, Lebron's Cavs teams in 06 and 07 were about as awful as the Smush/Kwame era Lakers, so we can compare them in those seasons, as well.

Guess what?

Lebron still outplayed him the majority of the time.

And as for my question, the year Kobe averaged the most points of his career came after his so-called prime per your definition. So I win there, too.

End of the day, Kool, Lebron outperformed a prime Kobe in their head-to-head matchups, and nobody but the most re ed would consider Kobe's basketball prime the early 00s. Of course you consider those years Kobe's peak since it was a time Lebron wasn't in the league, and you can comfort yourself by saying, "Well, Lebron never had to face a prime Kobe."

[Koolaid_Man]

I never consciously excluded them. I only did so because I thought you were interested in comparing the two players when "they each had a team" (your words). Granted, Lebron's Cavs teams in 06 and 07 were about as awful as the Smush/Kwame era Lakers, so we can compare them in those seasons, as well.

Guess what?

Lebron still outplayed him the majority of the time.

And as for my question, the year Kobe averaged the most points of his career came after his so-called prime per your definition. So I win there, too.

End of the day, Kool, Lebron outperformed a prime Kobe in their head-to-head matchups, and nobody but the most re ed would consider Kobe's basketball prime the early 00s. Of course you consider those years Kobe's peak since it was a time Lebron wasn't in the league, and you can comfort yourself by saying, "Well, Lebron never had to face a prime Kobe."

comparing Lebron not being in the league to Kobe 3 peating in his prime... guess what Mid...Lebron being in the league during the Laker 3 peat era would have meant nothing to the Laker le prizes...Kobe ting on the Spurs during this time is the definition of a prime Kobe for me...I could give 2 s about Lebron....it's all about

Kobe 5

TOSB 4 or Lebron 1 eitherway you slice it...we judge greatesness by leading your teams to rings...- sorry Bob Horry

[Riddler]

That would be meaningful if it came from Jordan...but what did we hear from Jordan.... let me paraphrase.... you ready?
- MJ

How many dominant big men did Kobe play with? How many did MJ?

[Koolaid_Man]

comparing Lebron not being in the league to Kobe 3 peating in his prime... guess what Mid...Lebron being in the league during the Laker 3 peat era would have meant nothing to the Laker le prizes...Kobe ting on the Spurs during this time is the definition of a prime Kobe for me...I could give 2 s about Lebron....it's all about

Kobe 5

TOSB 4 or Lebron 1 eitherway you slice it...we judge greatness by leading your teams to rings...- sorry Bob Horry

^ scratch that mid we judge greatness by leading your teams to back to back rings..if you cannot defend your le at least one time successfully it pretty renders them all meaningless...it means they were a fluke if you cannot repeat...that's why if Lebron repeats this year...he will all over Duncan's legacy

[Clipper Nation]

Kool still salty mad about LeBeast sonning Kirby for the millionth time