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    It's unwise to take too much from regular season action outside of wins, losses, point differential and a few select major statistical measures. By the time the playoffs roll around, the emotional highs and lows of the 82 tuneup games are mostly -- if not entirely -- forgotten. However, there are common traits that championship teams share. One such universal trait is the ability to self-correct during the midst of a game while exhibiting uncommon calmness in stormy waters.

    I think that trait was present for the Spurs during their game tonight against the Nets. I'm uncomfortable throwing the C-word around but that was a very C-ish performance.

    The Spurs were shorthanded going into the game. The feel-good, overachieving stage of playing without two of their three star players is over and the team is now faced with the harsh reality of having less weapons than the opposition. Winning with less while on the road is a daunting task, no matter the cir stances. In tonight's second quarter, Brooklyn had a double-digit lead in the second quarter and nothing was going right for San Antonio. The defense was faltering, the Nets were hitting improbable shots, the refs were allowing for a very physical game and the offense was strained to the limits trying to keep it close. It would have been easy for the Spurs to fold up their tents and go through the motions. Being shorthanded not only makes it more difficult to win, it offers a simple, reasonable excuse.

    But instead of suc bing to the their own tale of woe, the Spurs righted the ship the way C teams have always done it: diagnosing midstream what is wrong, finding a solution and then imposing their will on the proceedings by playing to their strengths. In San Antonio's case on Sunday night, that meant becoming more physical in the paint, sending quicker help defense, crashing the boards with more ferocity, spacing the court on offense, and utilizing their superior speed, cohesion and passing to create open shots. The Spurs did just that. Turning the knob 180 degrees within a game illustrated a special type of conviction and awareness mortal teams usually don't possess.

    I'm not saying the Spurs should be the favorites. I'm not saying a C is in their future. But if you were on the lookout for a promising sign, tonight's game offered a glimpse.

    -One area that killed the Spurs last year in the postseason was the lack of interior defense when Tim Duncan was on the bench. Early on against the Nets, that same soft underbelly reared its gooey head. However, the Spurs worked through it and found ways to compensate. Tiago Splitter's improvements were the most notable as the contest progressed but most everyone else also chipped in. The bigs became more physical and the perimeter players defended with more determination and allowed only obstructed ventures into the paint. That's the recipe the Spurs will have to use in the playoffs when Duncan is on the bench.

    -We've all made it a point to appreciate what Tim Duncan has done this season. What he's done is truly amazing for someone his age. But we need to be using that same verbiage with regards to Tony Parker. The level he's playing on right now is truly special. I don't even need to rattle off the numbers; if you've watched the games, it's obvious. It's not only the best basketball Parker has ever played, it's the best any Spur has played since Duncan's prime. That is in no way an overstatement. Parker has been as good or better than anyone south of LeBron James for the last 20-25 games.

    -San Antonio's small forward position really clicked against the Nets. Kawhi Leonard fit in offensively. He made a difference on D with his activity. Stephen Jackson stayed within his strengths on offense. Defensively, he played a bulldog brand of ball that disrupted Brooklyn's flow repeatedly. When the Spurs get that type of one-two punch from their SFs, they are much more difficult to defeat.

    -I have to give my daughter credit for her craftiness. Her new method to con her way out of going to bed is to sobbingly tell me how much she wants to watch basketball. No, you have to go to bed. But I want to watch baaaaasketball. Please, daddy, please. No you have to go to bed. But I like basketball. Sorry you can't.

    -She watches intently but doesn't say much other than to point out when a player falls down or gives a high-five. She doesn't seem to mind when I replay the same possession three or four times to see exactly what happened. Her coaxing ability at that young of age scares me, to be honest. Well played, Lala, well played. Your mother is going to be mad if she sees you in here with me past midnight ... but well played.

    -I get a little queasy thinking how this season could ride on whether Danny Green is randomly hot or randomly cold at the right time. The good news is that I don't think Green choked against the Thunder. The bad news is that I don't think there is any rhyme or reason to his shooting streaks. It could come down to pure, unadulterated luck.

    -If the Spurs can win one of these final two games before the All-Star break, I think they'll be in great shape. They'll be on pace to win 62 games -- and that's not factoring in their home-heaving closing stretch. But, of course, being healthy for the playoffs is priority No. 1.

    -Another promising sign: The Spurs are doing great so far this season but it's logical to ascertain that the best may be yet to come. Pop hasn't settled on a rotation. Many role players have underachieved and can be expected to play better between today and the end of the season. The offense hasn't revved up to the level it reached last season. The more Splitter, Duncan and Leonard learn to play with each other, the better the defense should become. Exciting -- healthy permitting -- times could lie ahead.

    -It's 2013 and we're still talking about Cs. That's shocking in and of itself.

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    It's unwise to take too much from regular season action outside of wins, losses, point differential and a few select major statistical measures. By the time the playoffs roll around, the emotional highs and lows of the 82 tuneup games are mostly -- if not entirely -- forgotten. However, there are common traits that championship teams share. One such universal trait is the ability to self-correct during the midst of a game while exhibiting uncommon calmness in stormy waters.

    I think that trait was present for the Spurs during their game tonight against the Nets. I'm uncomfortable throwing the C-word around but that was a very C-ish performance.

    The Spurs were shorthanded going into the game. The feel-good, overachieving stage of playing without two of their three star players is over and the team is now faced with the harsh reality of having less weapons than the opposition. Winning with less while on the road is a daunting task, no matter the cir stances. In tonight's second quarter, Brooklyn had a double-digit lead in the second quarter and nothing was going right for San Antonio. The defense was faltering, the Nets were hitting improbable shots, the refs were allowing for a very physical game and the offense was strained to the limits trying to keep it close. It would have been easy for the Spurs to fold up their tents and go through the motions. Being shorthanded not only makes it more difficult to win, it offers a simple, reasonable excuse.

    But instead of suc bing to the their own tale of woe, the Spurs righted the ship the way C teams have always done it: diagnosing midstream what is wrong, finding a solution and then imposing their will on the proceedings by playing to their strengths. In San Antonio's case on Sunday night, that meant becoming more physical in the paint, sending quicker help defense, crashing the boards with more ferocity, spacing the court on offense, and utilizing their superior speed, cohesion and passing to create open shots. The Spurs did just that. Turning the knob 180 degrees within a game illustrated a special type of conviction and awareness mortal teams usually don't possess.

    I'm not saying the Spurs should be the favorites. I'm not saying a C is in their future. But if you were on the lookout for a promising sign, tonight's game offered a glimpse.

    -One area that killed the Spurs last year in the postseason was the lack of interior defense when Tim Duncan was on the bench. Early on against the Nets, that same soft underbelly reared its gooey head. However, the Spurs worked through it and found ways to compensate. Tiago Splitter's improvements were the most notable as the contest progressed but most everyone else also chipped in. The bigs became more physical and the perimeter players defended with more determination and allowed only obstructed ventures into the paint. That's the recipe the Spurs will have to use in the playoffs when Duncan is on the bench.

    -We've all made it a point to appreciate what Tim Duncan has done this season. What he's done is truly amazing for someone his age. But we need to be using that same verbiage with regards to Tony Parker. The level he's playing on right now is truly special. I don't even need to rattle off the numbers; if you've watched the games, it's obvious. It's not only the best basketball Parker has ever played, it's the best any Spur has played since Duncan's prime. That is in no way an overstatement. Parker has been as good or better than anyone south of LeBron James for the last 20-25 games.

    -San Antonio's small forward position really clicked against the Nets. Kawhi Leonard fit in offensively. He made a difference on D with his activity. Stephen Jackson stayed within his strengths on offense. Defensively, he played a bulldog brand of ball that disrupted Brooklyn's flow repeatedly. When the Spurs get that type of one-two punch from their SFs, they are much more difficult to defeat.

    -I have to give my daughter credit for her craftiness. Her new method to con her way out of going to bed is to sobbingly tell me how much she wants to watch basketball. No, you have to go to bed. But I want to watch baaaaasketball. Please, daddy, please. No you have to go to bed. But I like basketball. Sorry you can't.

    -She watches intently but doesn't say much other than to point out when a player falls down or gives a high-five. She doesn't seem to mind when I replay the same possession three or four times to see exactly what happened. Her coaxing ability at that young of age scares me, to be honest. Well played, Lala, well played. Your mother is going to be mad if she sees you in here with me past midnight ... but well played.

    -I get a little queasy thinking how this season could ride on whether Danny Green is randomly hot or randomly cold at the right time. The good news is that I don't think Green choked against the Thunder. The bad news is that I don't think there is any rhyme or reason to his shooting streaks. It could come down to pure, unadulterated luck.

    -If the Spurs can win one of these final two games before the All-Star break, I think they'll be in great shape. They'll be on pace to win 62 games -- and that's not factoring in their home-heaving closing stretch. But, of course, being healthy for the playoffs is priority No. 1.

    -Another promising sign: The Spurs are doing great so far this season but it's logical to ascertain that the best may be yet to come. Pop hasn't settled on a rotation. Many role players have underachieved and can be expected to play better between today and the end of the season. The offense hasn't revved up to the level it reached last season. The more Splitter, Duncan and Leonard learn to play with each other, the better the defense should become. Exciting -- healthy permitting -- times could lie ahead.

    -It's 2013 and we're still talking about Cs. That's shocking in and of itself.
    Good take.

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    Nice post. Thanks.

    - Over the past few months, Stephen Jackson's play is what has been mildly worrying. Spurs fans love him for his compe iveness & edginess, but the steep fall in his shooting %s, his slowness on lateral movement and general underwhelming performances have raised questions even among his evangelical supporters. It is good to see that he has undone a bit of his inconsistency and mediocrity to show that he can still dominate on defense, even if only in a game against the woeful Nets.

    -- TP has been the best player for the Spurs not just this season the but one prior as well. He has been a true leader who has carried this team and not just on the court. From the limited that I get to read, he has chaperoned Boris Diaw last year, done something close to it this year with Nando de Colo. Has been a fountain of encouragement for Dejuan Blair.. he has helped players around him (and of his age group relative to Manu's and Tim's) to gel better and play better. Thats pretty much CP3 territory and in line with the latter's prowess. All this after taking a pay cut as well. His $12 mil / yr contract in hindsight is a steal for the Spurs relative his past achievements.

    --- Yes. the Spurs are right there in the Championship conversation. One hopes that all the other stuff - health, referee luck etc also falls into the right place this time around. I seriously believe that the Spurs can come out of the WCF relatively unscathed and will then face a challenge of their lifetime against Heat; who by the way IMO are beatable.

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    The Spurs looked good in the second half but the Nets are dreadful... 9-18 vs + .500 teams. I think that helped a little.

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    thanks for the writeup, LJ... we won with defense. That's the bottom line for me. Against Detroit and the 1st quarter tonight, I saw ugly ghosts of the past. This team cannot afford to trade baskets for long stretches or be lazy on D.

    Going forward I'm still uncomfortable with the Blair/Bonner situation behind our top 3 bigs. Blair is junk. Matty just isn't very good if his shot isn't falling. The other area of concern is SG, on the defensive end specifically. Neither Neal or Green are very good (with Neal being really bad overall). And given they have a fairly important role on the team, that's somewhat worrying. It was crazy tonight that a much slower Jack did a better job on Joe Johnson than Danny. I've been saying the problem with Green is mental, and he's still behind where he needs to be on the defensive end.

    But yeah, Tony has been phenomenal, tbh. Kawhi also, IMO, is way above expectations for a sop re. He can be really special. And Tiago has developed pretty well, even though I wish he would be more assertive around the glass.

    At this stage I feel much more comfortable with this team than last season. The defense is where it needs to be to have a shot, IMO. We need to make sure we don't pull a Pistons and bring it every night.

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    thanks for the writeup, LJ... we won with defense. That's the bottom line for me. Against Detroit and the 1st quarter tonight, I saw ugly ghosts of the past. This team cannot afford to trade baskets for long stretches or be lazy on D.

    Going forward I'm still uncomfortable with the Blair/Bonner situation behind our top 3 bigs. Blair is junk. Matty just isn't very good if his shot isn't falling. The other area of concern is SG, on the defensive end specifically. Neither Neal or Green are very good (with Neal being really bad overall). And given they have a fairly important role on the team, that's somewhat worrying. It was crazy tonight that a much slower Jack did a better job on Joe Johnson than Danny. I've been saying the problem with Green is mental, and he's still behind where he needs to be on the defensive end.

    But yeah, Tony has been phenomenal, tbh. Kawhi also, IMO, is way above expectations for a sop re. He can be really special. And Tiago has developed pretty well, even though I wish he would be more assertive around the glass.

    At this stage I feel much more comfortable with this team than last season. The defense is where it needs to be to have a shot, IMO. We need to make sure we don't pull a Pistons and bring it every night.
    Keep in mind that when Tim comes back thats about 30 minutes less of Bonner/Blair, so that should be reassuring

    Green's defense has been really on and off. He'll get scorched by Joe Johnson, but has dominated OJ Mayo. Fortunately he's not going to have to play too much on the ball defense against OKC. His toughest matchup will be Kevin Martin, and its not like OKC is going to give him iso's. If Green can do a decent job chasing around screens, his defensive inconsistency won't be too huge a factor against OKC. Miami is a different animal.

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    Green's defense has been really on and off. He'll get scorched by Joe Johnson, but has dominated OJ Mayo. Fortunately he's not going to have to play too much on the ball defense against OKC. His toughest matchup will be Kevin Martin, and its not like OKC is going to give him iso's. If Green can do a decent job chasing around screens, his defensive inconsistency won't be too huge a factor against OKC. Miami is a different animal.
    I'm not as relieved as you are about KMart vs Green. Kevin Martin has to be top 3 in the league flopping for contact when driving to the rack, and Danny is a guy that loves to go for the boneheaded block attempt. Danny also seemingly has a lot of trouble going around screens. Maybe my memory is deceiving me, but I didn't think he was as bad last season. Kawhi, on the other hand, has been superb.

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    From the time that Blair lost his spot as a starter until the time Tim got injured, the Blair/Bonner combo had all but disappeared outside of garbage time. I expect that pair to be relegated back to that role once Tim returns.

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    -It's 2013 and we're still talking about Cs. That's shocking in and of itself.
    Enjoy the journey for as long as it lasts.

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    Youve got a talent for writing, . Great read but I do have to disagree with Parker being better than 05' Ginobili tbh...love the way Tony is playing but I just think Manu was better.

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    I'm not as relieved as you are about KMart vs Green. Kevin Martin has to be top 3 in the league flopping for contact when driving to the rack, and Danny is a guy that loves to go for the boneheaded block attempt. Danny also seemingly has a lot of trouble going around screens. Maybe my memory is deceiving me, but I didn't think he was as bad last season. Kawhi, on the other hand, has been superb.
    His defense against screens was just as bad last year IIRC..it's troublesome in a league that heavily promotes usage of screens, especially against OKC, a team that executes the screen game as well as any team in the NBA..

    I would feel more comfortable having Green guard Westbrook, tbh..Green's defense is seemingly good vs. PGs, regardless of their style, while it is just average or worse against other positions IMO..

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    His defense against screens was just as bad last year IIRC..it's troublesome in a league that heavily promotes usage of screens, especially against OKC, a team that executes the screen game as well as any team in the NBA..

    I would feel more comfortable having Green guard Westbrook, tbh..Green's defense is seemingly good vs. PGs, regardless of their style, while it is just average or worse against other positions IMO..
    I like that, tbh. Tony on KMart also doubles to both rest Tony, since KMart isn't as involved when KD and Chuck are out there, and I don't mind if KMart feels he can shoot over Tony and wants to go on a chucking spree.

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    -I get a little queasy thinking how this season could ride on whether Danny Green is randomly hot or randomly cold at the right time. The good news is that I don't think Green choked against the Thunder. The bad news is that I don't think there is any rhyme or reason to his shooting streaks. It could come down to pure, unadulterated luck.
    One of our main worries, frightening tbh.

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    Tony Parker is playing the best basketball since 08 09, his jump shot is working and he's got he's floater tear drops going as well

    Is he peaking too early? Will he slow down in the POs? I hope not

    ^ I agree, green on Westbrook and tony on k mart might work in the POs, tp is good going around screens

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    The Spurs looked good in the second half but the Nets are dreadful... 9-18 vs + .500 teams. I think that helped a little.
    The quality of the opposition is typically overblown in the regular season when judging individual games. I'd argue a team like the Spurs can make as much progress against a bad team than against a great team. , the two most vital regular season wins in recent Spurs history were probably those back-to-back wins over the Clippers and Warriors back in 2005. Those two teams sucked but it didn't make those games any less important.

    Great read but I do have to disagree with Parker being better than 05' Ginobili tbh...love the way Tony is playing but I just think Manu was better.
    Duncan's prime went to 2007 so I wasn't comparing current Parker to 2005 Playoff Manu. That's apples and oranges, tbh. Ginobili painted that masterpiece in the playoffs, so that's a different animal. He also had a prime Duncan next to him -- that has to be factored in. Parker is doing this in the regular season but he's also doing it with sporadic (at best) help.

    I'd take 2005 Playoff Manu's run since that alone made Manu immortal but TP is balling something fierce right now.

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    The way Parker and Leonard played the 2nd half was awesome.... Leonard seemed to be everywhere on defense, and Parker single handedly dominated every possession on the offensive side.

    I really am underwhelmed with decolo... I love the way he passes and his d, but I think unless he can become somewhat of a scoring threat, he's gonna be a liability against the clippers or thunder.

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    Duncan's prime went to 2007 so I wasn't comparing current Parker to 2005 Playoff Manu. That's apples and oranges, tbh. Ginobili painted that masterpiece in the playoffs, so that's a different animal. He also had a prime Duncan next to him -- that has to be factored in. Parker is doing this in the regular season but he's also doing it with sporadic (at best) help.

    I'd take 2005 Playoff Manu's run since that alone made Manu immortal but TP is balling something fierce right now.
    I got you, for whatever reason I took it as this is the best peak by any Spurs player since Duncan peaked. Hopefully Parker can keep it up in the playoffs this time tbh.

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    Wait a minute... Our 3-year-old daughter was up at midnight watching replays of a Nets game? A Nets game?

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    Lala? Los Angeles?

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    If she is not waking up b4 8am why not Kori?

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    Hmm LJ spurs played Nets a team that is struggling lately

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    -We've all made it a point to appreciate what Tim Duncan has done this season. What he's done is truly amazing for someone his age. But we need to be using that same verbiage with regards to Tony Parker. The level he's playing on right now is truly special. I don't even need to rattle off the numbers; if you've watched the games, it's obvious. It's not only the best basketball Parker has ever played, it's the best any Spur has played since Duncan's prime. That is in no way an overstatement. Parker has been as good or better than anyone south of LeBron James for the last 20-25 games.

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    Wait a minute... Our 3-year-old daughter was up at midnight watching replays of a Nets game? A Nets game?
    Bonner got some playing time last night. Don't you know that the kids love Bon-Bon?

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    I thought the Spurs were done and was surprised to them lift their game. It looked like one of those nights.
    Not impressed with Diaw or Bonner, however. Diaw appears to have the physical gifts of a banger but the heart and head of a ballet dancer. We do not need another finesse big. And Bonner couldn't stay in front of a fire hydrant.

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