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Tell us what you do about 10M+ illegal aliens, Herr KattleKar.
RG.Source article for the Foreign Policy Journal starts here:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...n_global_aging
Within about 20 years or so, I doubt illegal immigration will be of any concern.
Which makes the curernt debate, to me, all the more meaningless. Fences my ass.
I went back to the OP since I am guilty of sidetracking it. Now going to the link poses a problem. It isn't cooperating.
Anyway, I will add this.
Illegal is illegal, legal is legal. Should we need more immigration, we will simply make more of it legal.
Why should we accept "illegal?"
Tell us what you do about 10M+ illegal aliens, Herr KattleKar.
Make it preferable for them to self deport.
^that post is rich on Vitamin I
Which for you means to threaten to shoot them if they don't leave.
Tbh.
Only when you GTFO....
Seriously though, we should simply pour a lot of efforta nd money into bringing these people out and into legality, if not outright citizenship.
Given the demands of our cons ution, we owe it to the citizens they have given birth to, IMO.
sanctimony's on your side too. you assume a lot.
As I said before I don't pretend any different nor do I act as if I am above it as you do. You simply use flowery prose and front.
Everyone assumes things about everything all the time. It's about how you act on said assumptions that makes the difference. On how diligent you are in making sure and how diligent you are about making sure to see for yourself. Some people get lazy in their assumptions certainly but we all still make them.
You claim you assume the same thing about the owner when you drive into an upscale gated community as you do as driving up to section 8 housing. I say that you are both sanctimonious and full of .
As for the OP, the reason why they are a benefit is precisely because they are a second social class. You don't have to pay them as much plain and simple. Why pay a trained professional US citizen $40k to watch your kids when you can hire somebody from Central America to do it for half that and appreciate it twice as much.
This country has a long history of creating a second class and profiting off of it. It's been the hallmark of civilization since the dawn of time. Now I certainly do not disagree that the treatment that they get is an abomination but what I am saying is that raising them to the level of us and allowing them to stay doesn't help us. It's a reversal of the beneficial aspects of the status quo. Removal of a low cost labor pool will be a 'problem' for all manner of things. You can certainly dismiss any idea of for example raising the minimum wage.
There are limits to immigration for a reason and population growth sucks for everyone but those who buy labor.
Silicon Valley and Immigrant Groups Find Common Cause
Silicon Valley executives, who have long pressed the government to provide more visas for foreign-born math and science brains, are joining forces with an array of immigration groups seeking comprehensive changes in the law. And as momentum builds in Washington for a broad revamping, the tech industry has more hope than ever that it will finally achieve its goal: the expanded access to visas that it says is critical to its own continued growth and that of the economy as a whole.
Signs of the industry's stepped-up engagement on the issue are visible everywhere. Prominent executives met with President Obama last week. Start-up founders who rarely abandon their computers have flown across the country to meet with lawmakers.
This Tuesday, the Technology CEO Council, an advocacy organization representing companies like Dell, Intel and Motorola, had meetings on Capitol Hill. On Wednesday, Steve Case, a founder of AOL, is scheduled to testify at the first Senate hearing this year on immigration legislation, alongside the head of the deportation agents' union and the leader of a Latino civil rights group.
"The odds of high-skilled passing without comprehensive is close to zero, and the odds of comprehensive passing without high-skilled passing is close to zero," said Robert D. Atkinson, president of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, a nonpartisan research group based in Washington.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/02/13...orces.xml?f=19
Comments, some with The Truth:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/acomm?a=1026942&f=19
I'm crossing my fingers that I'll be able to make low 6 figures coming out of the military in a half decade or so, but I'd be happy with 70K+... that would put me in the top 5% or so of all American households after all. :p
Speaking of ignoring questions, have you turned your guns in yet?
Behind the "illegals MUST BE PUNISHED/NO AMNESTY" bull , here's what the real strategy is:
Republican Rep Says GOP Should Oppose Immigration Reform Because It Would Give Democrats ‘Millions Of Votes’
Does anyone really think Republicans are going to outbid Democrats on giving benefits to illegal immigrants?
And fifth, you have to be a little su ious when liberal Democrats tell Republicans they have to support amnesty to win elections. Do Republicans really think they have the best interests of the GOP at heart?
Immigration is the field Democrats want to lure Republicans to play on. Why? Because Democrats know they’ll win.
Democrats have done the math and realize that legalization inevitably would give them millions of votes, meaning more victories in congressional and presidential elections.
http://thinkprogress.org/special/201...ions-of-votes/
From an old, white, inherited wealth SA Repug.
Yep. In my state (Colorado) undo ented immigrants contribute far more to the economy than they take from it.
Republicans Attack Obama For Drafting Immigration Reform Plan That Resembles Bipartisan Principles
On Sunday, Republicans lashed out at a leaked draft of the White House’s plan to reform the immigration system.
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) said any proposal from the president that lacked Republican input would be “dead on arrival” and is “hurting the effort” at reform. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) claimed that Obama was looking for a “partisan advantage” on the issue and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) announced that the draft demonstrated that “the president doesn’t want immigration reform.”
http://thinkprogress.org/special/201...an-principles/
Gingrich: Republicans Will Oppose Any Immigration Plan Backed By Obama Because They Hate Obama
http://thinkprogress.org/special/201...ey-hate-obama/
Repugs will deny Barry/Dems ANY success, no matter what the pain and cost to USA, just like they have and will oppose any govt spending that helps get the economy moving, no matter how many 10Ms of people are left under- and unemployed.
I'm reading that the Repugs WANT, and will work for, the sequestration to occur, because, SURPRISE, they will blame it 100% on Barry/Dems.
Private Prison CEO Assures Investors of ‘Strong Demand’ For Beds After Immigration Reform
As the U.S. private prison industry has grown over the last several years, studies have shown that private prisons are incentivized to lobby for more incarceration. During an investor call this week, the CEO of private prison operator Corrections Corporation of America signaled that incarceration rates would remain high, assuring investors that immigration detention would be a strong source of business for the foreseeable future, ColorLines reports. Addressing the prospect of federal immigration reform, CEO Damon Hininger said Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials have said there will “always be a demand for beds”:
It’s too early to tell exactly what the impact [of reform] is going to be, but again, ICE has always said that there’s going to be a demand for bed space here in the US because of all the things they’re doing both within the interior, on the border, from the people that are released from state prisons that are ultimately need to be deported. […]
There is always going to be strong demand regardless of what is being done at the national level as far as immigration reform.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...ration-reform/
and
Corporations Write Our Laws and Profit From Our Misery
But human beings matter little in the corporate state. We myopically serve the rapacious appe es of those dedicated to exploitation and maximizing profit. And our corporate masters view prisons—as they do education, health care and war—as a business.
The 320-bed Elizabeth Detention Center, which houses only men, is run by one of the largest operators and owners of for-profit prisons in the country, Corrections Corporation of America. CCA, traded on the New York Stock Exchange, has annual revenues in excess of $1.7 billion. An average of 81,384 inmates are in its facilities on any one day. This is a greater number, the American Civil Liberties Union points out ina 2011 report, "Banking on Bondage: Private Prisons and Mass Incarceration," than that held by the states of New York and New Jersey combined.
The for-profit prisons and their lobbyists in Washington and state capitals have successfully blocked immigration reform, have prevented a challenge to our draconian drug laws and are pushing through tougher detention policies. Locking up more and more human beings is the bedrock of the industry's profits. These corporations are the engines behind the explosion of our prison system. They are the reason we have spent $300 billion on new prisons since 1980. They are also the reason serious reform is impossible.
The United States, from 1970 to 2005, increased its prison population by about 700 percent, according to statistics gathered by the ACLU. The federal Bureau of Justice Statistics, the ACLU report notes, says that for-profit companies presently control about 18 percent of federal prisoners and 6.7 percent of all state prisoners. Private prisons account for nearly all of the new prisons built between 2000 and 2005. And nearly half of all immigrants detained by the federal government are shipped to for-profit prisons, according to Detention Watch Network.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), which imprisons about 400,000 undo ented people a year, has an annual budget of more than $5 billion. ICE is planning to expand its operations by establishing several mega-detention centers, most run by private corporations, in states such as New Jersey, Texas, Florida, California and Illinois. Many of these private contractors are, not surprisingly, large campaign donors to "law and order" politicians including New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.
In CCA's annual report to the Securities and Exchange Commission for 2011, cited by the ACLU, the prison company bluntly states its opposition to prison reform. "The demand for our facilities and services could be adversely affected by the relaxation of enforcement efforts, leniency in conviction or parole standards and sentencing practices or through the decriminalization of certain activities that are currently proscribed by criminal laws," it declares. CCA goes on to warn that "any changes with respect to drugs and controlled substances or illegal immigration" could "potentially [reduce] demand for correctional facilities," as would "mak[ing] more inmates eligible for early release based on good behavior," the adoption of "sentencing alternatives [that] ... could put some offenders on probation" and "reductions in crime rates."
CCA in 2011 gave $710,300 in political contributions to candidates for federal or state office, political parties and 527 groups (PACs and super PACs), the ACLU reported. The corporation also spent $1.07 million lobbying federal officials along with undisclosed funds to lobby state officials, according to the ACLU. CCA, through the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), lobbies legislators to impose harsher detention laws at the state and federal levels. The ALEC helped draft Arizona’s draconian anti-immigrant law SB 1070.
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/14...m-human-misery
Last edited by boutons_deux; 01-16-2015 at 05:00 AM.
be@ners get amnesty only over every American Patriot's dead body. YOU NWO LACKEYS, BRING IT ON LETS MEET UP AND FIGHT ILL TAKE ON ANY BOARD LIBERAL
Texas advanced civilization takes a giant leap even higher
Texas bans shooting immigrants from helicopters
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/2...e+Raw+Story%29
to the great chagrin of m>s, WC, etc, etc.
How H-1B Visas Are Screwing Tech Workers
A few years ago, the pharmaceutical giant Pfizer informed hundreds of tech workers at its Connecticut R&D facilities that they'd soon be laid off. Before getting their final paychecks, however, they'd need to train their replacements: guest workers from India who'd come to the United States on H-1B visas. "It's a very, very stressful work environment," one soon-to-be-axed worker told Connecticut's The Day newspaper. "I haven't been able to sleep in weeks."
Established in 1990, the federal H-1B visa program allows employers to import up to 65,000 foreign workers each year to fill jobs that require "highly specialized knowledge." The Senate's bipartisan Immigration Innovation Act of 2013, or "I-Squared Act," would increase that cap to as many as 300,000 foreign workers. "The smartest, hardest-working, most talented people on this planet, we should want them to come here," Sen. Marco Rubio, (R-Fla.) said upon introducing the bill last month. "I, for one, have no fear that this country is going to be overrun by Ph.D.s."
To be sure, America's tech economy has long depended on foreign-born workers. "Immigrants have founded 40 percent of companies in the tech sector that were financed by venture capital and went on to become public in the U.S., among them Yahoo, eBay, Intel, and Google," writes Lazslo Bock, Google's senior VP of "people operations," which, along with other tech giants such as HP and Microsoft, strongly supports a big increase in H-1B visas. "In 2012, these companies employed roughly 560,000 workers and generated $63 billion in sales."
But in reality, most of today's H-1B workers don't stick around to become the next Albert Einstein or Sergey Brin. ComputerWorld revealed last week that the top 10 users of H-1B visas last year were all offshore outsourcing firms such as Tata and Infosys. Together these firms hired nearly half of all H-1B workers, and less than 3 percent of them applied to become permanent residents. "The H-1B worker learns the job and then rotates back to the home country and takes the work with him," explains Ron Hira, an immigration expert who teaches at the Rochester Ins ute of Technology. None other than India's former commerce secretary once dubbed the H-1B the "outsourcing visa."
Of course, the big tech companies claim H-1B workers are their last resort, and that they can't find qualified Americans to fill jobs. Pressing to raise the visa cap last year, Microsoft pointed to 6,000 job openings at the company.
Yet if tech workers are in such short supply, why are so many of them unemployed or underpaid? According to the Economic Policy Ins ute (EPI), tech employment rates still haven't rebounded to pre-recession levels. And from 2001 to 2011, the mean hourly wage for computer programmers didn't even increase enough to beat inflation.
The ease of hiring H-1B workers certainly hasn't helped. More than 80 percent of H-1B visa holders are approved to be hired at wages below those paid to American-born workers for comparable positions, according to EPI. Experts who track labor conditions in the technology sector say that older, more expensive workers are particularly vulnerable to being undercut by their foreign counterparts. "You can be an exact match and never even get a phone call because you are too expensive," says Norman Matloff, a computer science professor at the University of California-Davis. "The minute that they see you've got 10 or 15 years of experience, they don't want you."
A 2007 study by the Urban Ins ute concluded that America was producing plenty of students with majors in science, technology, engineering, and math (the "STEM" professions)—many more than necessary to fill entry-level jobs. Yet Matloff sees this changing as H-1B workers cause Americans to major in more-lucrative fields such as law and business. "In terms of the number of people with graduate degrees in STEM," he says, "H-1B is the problem, not the solution."
Even detractors of the H-1B visa program concede that it can fill important roles, such as encouraging brilliant foreigners to permanently relocate to the United States. EPI immigration expert Daniel Costa suggests a couple of tweaks to the I-Squared Act: Require employers to prove that they've tried to recruit Americans before applying for foreign workers, and make sure that H-1B workers get paid as much as Americans do for comparable jobs. "If that was fixed," he says, "I think it would be a different story."
As it stands, though, there are plenty of stories like the one Jennifer Wedel told to President Barack Obama last year (see video below). "My husband has an engineering degree with over ten years of experience," the Fort Worth resident told the president during a web chat hosted by the social network Google+. "Why does the government continue to issue and extend H-1B visas when there are tons of Americans just like my husband with no job?"
"We should get his résumé and I will forward it to some of these companies, " Obama replied.
But more than two months later, Wedel's husband was still looking for a job.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...t-tech-workers
Last edited by boutons_deux; 01-16-2015 at 05:00 AM.
if u say the visas are destroying the local workers, maybe you clowns should also stop handing out free college scholarships to internationals...
immigrants can deliver papers in the US and still make more $ than they would've earned in their own countries doing engineering or accounting jobs, which's the problem. the currency difference was supposed to be a barrier than prevents foreigners from permeating the US, say you can be an above-middle class mother er in a 3rd world country but still you can't afford a home in US. however, as the liberals give foreigners equal chances as american citizens, they dig a hole in the damn which leads to the collapse of the whole dam, then the uncontrollable flood comes in town. the whole started from clinton administration and if i remember correct, clinton is a democrat
Speak English moron.
you son of a , i'll take on any board liberal just name the time and place, WHAT THE ARE YOU PUSSIES GONNA DO
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