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Parker/Duncan is more fitting than just Parker alone. No shot in does Parker have to win a championship without Timmy.
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Parker/Duncan is more fitting than just Parker alone. No shot in does Parker have to win a championship without Timmy.
Great, now tell us about how players like Duncan make players like Parker look better than what they really are although players like Parker always post better numbers when they don't have to share the ball with players like Duncan.
Timmy always has been the #1 reason by far for the success of the Spurs for every single season he has been there. Take him off the team, and they maybe get a low playoff seed, at best. He gives them so much confidence and leadership its insane. Not to mention a consistent paint presence on both ends of the floor.
TP would be fortunate to lead them to anything better than a 7th seed, if you completely took Timmy off the team altogether.
Posting better numbers and team success are not the same thing.
If you think you could simply replace Duncan with some mediocre center like Chris Kaman and Parker is going to lead them to be a legit le contender, you are outside your mind.
lol manu > dirk
I didn't say anything about team success, I talked about players' production. In the past I have heard from guys like you that superstars make the game easier for fellow stars in the same team, therefore making them look better than what they really are, yet everytime I see a superstar go down the 2nd option always seems to play better. Odd.
lol post deleter
Wat.
LeBron is going off right now. Shooting over 56% on the season and 40%+ from 3. In fact, LeBron is .06% behind Durant in 3%, this coming from a guy who's supposedly a subpar shooter vs an elite marksman. You can have your free throws, I'll take the guy who's unstoppable AND plays all-star level defense. LeBron is even up in PER which is highly biased toward offensive stats. LeBron is averaging .6 rebounds AND 2.5 assists more despite playing at a slower pace (102 ppg vs 106).
I don't even think the MVP is particularly close at this point. It's LeBron by a country mile, then Durant, then another mile or so back to Parker.
If you noticed, the shooting percentages weren't my only arguments. I also said better record and putting up the numbers he does with a chucker teammate. LeBron is the best basketball player in the planet and is so easily. But I do think Durant's "value" to the Thunder might be slightly greater because I think they'd be an average team or worse without Durant and with Westbrook the clear and undisputed franchise player on the team. I would have no qualms at all if LeBron wins another MVP. He is and would be very deserving. I only said that I'd slightly lean towards Durant right now. To me, it's close enough to be a toss up.
And I'd put Carmelo ahead of Tony Parker. I think as it is every year, the Spurs are doing what they are expected to do. The Knicks were viewed as possibly a good team but also a wildcard because they are also a very volatile and unpredictable team. To be where they are in the standings right now I think exceeds at least quite a few people's expectations, and I do give a lot of credit to Melo for their team success this season.
Timmy always has been the #1 reason by far for the success of the Spurs for every single season he has been there. Take him off the team, and they maybe get a low playoff seed, at best. He gives them so much confidence and leadership its insane. Not to mention a consistent paint presence on both ends of the floor.
TP would be fortunate to lead them to anything better than a 7th seed, if you completely took Timmy off the team altogether.
while i agree that its a stretch to say that parker leads the spurs to a le without duncan, you obviously havent seen what parker and the spurs have done since tim (and manu) went down with injuries. to completely dismiss parkers contributions is a sign of either ignorance or pushing an agenda.
probably a little of both.
i'd probably put carmelo and parker as a 3a and 3b IF paker keeps it up the rest of the season.
but seriously? so the spurs were the pre-season favorite to have the best record in the league? parker was expected to to be a 20/10 guy and keep the team afloat when the injury bug quote? i'd be shocked if you could find many spurs fans who thought we'd be where we are. i just dont see how your logic holds any water.
While I do believe Parker has been great recently, in the absence of Duncan and Ginobili, you should also consider the compe ion in that stretch. The only teams with an above .500 record in that stretch were Brooklyn and Atlanta. And 5 of the 8 teams they played without Duncan were bottom 10 teams in the league, teams like Charlotte and Phoenix and Minnesota and Detroit and New Orleans. With or without Duncan, Parker probably puts up really good performances against those teams.
I think the case would be stronger for Parker if these stretch of games included at least a couple great performances in wins against a couple of the elite teams in the league. His performances against teams like the Clippers, OKC, and the Knicks on the season are much more underwhelming.
If Parker was a 20/10 guy on the entire season, he'd have a stronger case. Again, when the injury bug hit the Spurs recently, they started a stretch of games against some of the worst teams in the league.
6 games against OKC, Clippers, and Knicks.
Parker: 12.2 PPG, 8.0 APG, 39.7% FG
Spurs 1-5 in those 6 games
ok i'll give you that. not a big fan of cherrypicking stats, but that is a good point. if we're picking and choosing though, i could counter that 5 of those games were in the 1st month of the season, where he was inconsistent as .
not to mention the fact, out of all the "favorites", only NY has a particularly dominating winning percentage against the rest-of-the-best.
ok so we want to talk whole season now? 20.7 and 7.7 on 54% shooting. want to know how many other guys are putting up 20+ and 7+? 1, westbrick. shooting 10% lower from the field and +1 TP/g.
thats including those horrible games you listed.
and like bill parcells used to say, "you play who's on the schedule" and "you are what your record says you are". the spurs are still playing NBA teams, with at least some level of NBA talent. , look at your pistons. who thought they would be the ones to stop the run?
lol individual stats > team success
lol manu > dirk
lol daf logic
winning a few games without your centerpiece doesn't mean a whole lot. stuff like that happens all the time.
do it for a whole season, and that's impressive. but we all know that won't happen.
yeah, because half the season is gone...love the build in un-winnable argument there.
and yeah, team win without their main guy. you could have busted out boston as an example. but your saying parkers numbers arent impressive? even though theres only 1 other player scoring 20+ and assisting 7+ on the season? so exactly what IS impressive to you then? 15 and 6 on 41% shooting?
truth bombs...this is what the tp suckers fail to see....they think its his team, but in reality its not cause u remove duncan from the lineup...spurs are nothing more that fodder...tp has been nothing more than a coat riding clown living on someone elses reputation
Timmy always has been the #1 reason by far for the success of the Spurs for every single season he has been there. Take him off the team, and they maybe get a low playoff seed, at best. He gives them so much confidence and leadership its insane. Not to mention a consistent paint presence on both ends of the floor.
TP would be fortunate to lead them to anything better than a 7th seed, if you completely took Timmy off the team altogether.
The Heat without LeBron would be a horrible team. Almost certainly in the lottery.
God your troll schtick is old. Get some new material.
tell me whose production increases in the playoffs?...whose production increase pass regular season stats, career avgs?
coasting duncan with the same touches he gets in the playoffs posts stats equal to prime duncan, but you have ball hogs on the team u dont see it who go away from him every time he has a hot hand
that tp fella and his fans, love to gloat about beating players who are injured or just have no business playing against him...but when he finally meets his match, he calls them out and disappears against them,
I don't know if you are serious or not, but if the Heat were without LeBron, they'd fill his spot with either Shane Battier, Mike Miller, or Rashard Lewis and would still have Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen as primary scorers. Without Durant, the Thunder would either slide Sefolosha to the 3 with Kevin Martin starting and/or fill those SF minutes with guys like DeAndre Liggins and rookie Perry Jones with Russell Westbrook going 2005 Kobe chucking up 30+ shots a game.
I think your comment is not only wrong but completely disingenuous.
To be fair iirc most of these games were at the beginning of the season and tp had a bad start. Duncan was carrying the team. Tp is picking up since a couple of months now.
Yeah but it cuts both ways. The Spurs haven't played any really good teams recently. So is Parker's recent play a product of him just picking up his play or a product of the compe ion they've been playing? I don't know the answer for sure. But it would be more telling if Parker's recent tear included some performances against elite and/or really good defensive teams.
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