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    Is that why most liberal havens have so many restrictive laws? Liberals can't control themselves?
    dafuc?

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    For someone with a security fence around their house, glad you are ok with assuming everyone has a license to OC in public places.
    So instead, you assume they are criminal?

    There are several reasons to want privacy. Don't you like privacy? Hasn't the moment ever happened outdoors where you wanted to have sex?

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    Just asking.

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    Wrong again, dumbass! The Bill of Rights is inalienable, unless you're also okay with your freedom of speech, right to due process, protection from unreasonable search and seizure, protection from cruel and unusual punishment, etc. being transferred/surrendered by the government without your consent...
    Umm no. The term inalienable rights is found one time, in the Declaration..."that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happines".

    The bill of Rights are completely alienable. Get convicted of a major crime and see just how inalienable they are.

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    Concealed handgun does not mean brandishing your weapons like a semi-auto rifle at the entrance of the legislative chamber.

    Concealed and handgun are not difficult concepts to most people.

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    So instead, you assume they are criminal?

    There are several reasons to want privacy. Don't you like privacy? Hasn't the moment ever happened outdoors where you wanted to have sex?
    Well that's what happened in Sacramento. They assumed they were criminals. Should be done in this case if you don't want to appear hypocritical.

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    Concealed handgun does not mean brandishing your weapons like a semi-auto rifle at the entrance of the legislative chamber.

    Concealed and handgun are not difficult concepts to most people.
    Are you disputing the law?

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    Well that's what happened in Sacramento. They assumed they were criminals. Should be done in this case if you don't want to appear hypocritical.
    Were you there in 1962 to see if these were happy-go-lucky individuals, or were they angry?

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    Get convicted of a major crime and see just how inalienable they are.
    Get convicted of a major crime and you still get due process and a trial by jury, thanks to the Bill of Rights...

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    there are no "alienable" "God-given" rights. Whatever the people who hold power grant you as rights IS IT

    Any MAN-given, alienable rights are meaningless if they aren't protected, enforced.

    God is TOTALLY OUT OF THE RIGHTS PICTURE.

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    Get convicted of a major crime and you still get due process and a trial by jury, thanks to the Bill of Rights...
    You won't be possessing firearms ergo, not inalienable.

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    I think the only inalienable right is to pursue happiness but then again what if mass muder makes you happy? Hmm... !

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    Are you disputing the law?
    The laws says concealed handguns are allowed. I am saying that the laws exemptions do not apply in this case so you bringing them up is pointless. They are breaking the law plain and simple. That is criminal by definition.

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    there are no "alienable" "God-given" rights. Whatever the people who hold power grant you as rights IS IT

    Any MAN-given, alienable rights are meaningless if they aren't protected, enforced.

    God is TOTALLY OUT OF THE RIGHTS PICTURE.
    I actually agree with you 100% on this.

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    Bubbas Eruption?


    Sounds like something boutons ordered off Cinemax on-demand.

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    Wrong again, dumbass! The Bill of Rights is inalienable, unless you're also okay with your freedom of speech, right to due process, protection from unreasonable search and seizure, protection from cruel and unusual punishment, etc. being transferred/surrendered by the government without your consent...
    Can we get some legalese backing this up? SCOTUS is on record the 2nd Amendment isn't absolute.

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    The laws says concealed handguns are allowed. I am saying that the laws exemptions do not apply in this case so you bringing them up is pointless. They are breaking the law plain and simple. That is criminal by definition.
    Is that how your fuzzy mind reads the law?

    You are wrong. Try reading it again.

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    There's never a problem.


    Until there is.


    That's generally why laws get written.
    God help them all if some black dudes show up with them.

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    Were you there in 1962 to see if these were happy-go-lucky individuals, or were they angry?
    You mean did they yell at a white guy?

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    NRA knows well their ignorant, racist, low-pay, trailer-park, white, xenophobic bubba base
    NRA Convention Helps Distribute Literature Calling For Secession And Civil War

    If you understand the Cons ution you throw-up every single time you turn on the TV and hear about another thing or program the U.S. Government is ‘going to do for (TO) the American People’.

    This is a most heinous disease that can only be cured by the cons utional De-Centralized power of our home country of Wisconsin restoring our “supreme Laws” on our Federal public servants within our borders;

    OR otherwise by a combo Civil/Re-Revolutionary War with the very same goal to restore the Rule of OUR Laws on our elected, non-elected and wannabe elected Republican and Democrat Federal servants through the refreshment of the Tree of Liberty by its natural manure.

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...nra-civil-war/


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    TX asshole insulting the President and rousing the bubba rabble


    Meet the Texas GOPer Who's Bringing Ted Nugent to Obama's SOTU





    How nuts? Oh, pretty nuts:

    A Republican member of Congress from Texas has suggested that the Clinton Administration staged the 1993 raid on the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Tex., to convince Congress that it should ban assault weapons.

    "Waco was supposed to be a way for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) and the Clinton Administration to prove the need for a ban on so-called 'assault weapons,' " the Representative, Steve Stockman, who is a strong opponent of gun control, wrote in the June issue of Guns & Ammo magazine.

    And here's a post-Oklahoma-City-bombing Los Angeles Times article on his behavior after receiving a note thought to be linked to that bombing:
    Stockman and his staff denied that they had delayed passing the note--which seemed to convey information about the Oklahoma blast--to the FBI. But they faced troublesome questions about why Stockman's staff also gave the note to the National Rifle Assn. and why Stockman in March wrote to the Justice Department objecting to what he said was an impending federal raid on "citizen militia" groups, apparently akin to the kinds of anti-government groups that seem to figure in the background of at least one suspect in the Oklahoma bombing.

    Below the fold, let's consider his absolutely insane one-month record so far:



    • He was only one of a handful of House Republicans to vote against John Boehner, boldly managing a "present" vote as the most spectacularly incompetent congressional coup of all time collapsed around its supposed planners.
    • In the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School murders, his response was to introduce legislation repealing the gun free zones around schools, and for the same reason as the similar NRA blustering—because what we needed, according to both, was to have manymore people wandering around school zones with guns, and that would probably work out just fine.
    • He was abruptly cut off in a Fox News interview after comparing Barack Obama to Saddam Hussein, thus managing to rank as one of the few crackpot Republicans too nuts even for Fox News to stomach.
    • When Obama introduced a set of executive actions that included things like "finally appoint a permanent head of the ATF, even if that makes Republicans sad" and "government scientists should be allowed to research gun violence", Steve Stockman threatened in an exceptionally frothing statement to impeach Obama, if necessary, in order to stop such obviously scandalous things. This may have been the first, biggest sign that Steve Stockman is in fact a bona fide moron, but he quickly surpassed even that.


    Nugent in the past has threatened to kill President Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and California Senators Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer.“I was in Chicago and I said hey Obama, you might want to suck on one of these you punk; Obama, he’s a piece of , and I told him to suck on my machine gun,” Nugent screamed during a concert while brandishing two machine guns, “Then I was in New York and I said, ‘Hey Hillary you might want to ride one of these into the sunset you worthless …. Then I was out in California and I thought, Barbara Boxer, she might want to suck on my machine gun, hey Dianne Feinstein ride one of these you worthless .”

    Stockman will also be unveiling this week The Obama Failometer, a ten-foot-long billboard that will objectively measure the failure of Obama’s economic policies. The Obama Failometer tracks four monthly economic indicators from the Bureau of Labor Statistics; jobs created, civilian labor force participation rate and black and Hispanic unemployment. The figures are mathematically weighted to provide a measurement, on a scale from 1 to 1000, of just how badly Obama’s economic policies are failing. The inaugural Monthly Obama Failometer Score is an off-the-charts 1,179.


    http://www.alternet.org/meet-texas-g...nt-obamas-sotu

    You Stay Classy, (TX) Repugs and bubbas everywhere.

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    More trash talk from the 100% trash NRA

    Welch went on to bemoan the fact that the public’s focus on Newtown was preventing the NRA from pushing such bills through the legislature, but his remarks soon turned to braggadocio about the NRA’s legislative influence. He relayed an anecdote about how, following the Connecticut shooting, a pro-gun Democrat in the legislature had mentioned his desire to close the gun show loophole. “And I said [to him], ‘no, we’re not going to do that,” Welch boasted. “And so far, nothing’s happened on that.”

    WELCH: We have a strong agenda coming up for next year, but of course a lot of that’s going to be delayed as the “Connecticut effect” has to go through the process. [...] What’s even more telling is the people who don’t like guns pretty much realize that they can’t do a thing unless they talk to us. After Connecticut I had one of the leading Democrats in the legislature—he was with us most of the time, not all the time—he came to me and said, “Bob, I got all these people in my caucus that really want to ban guns and do all this bad stuff, we gotta give them something. How about we close this gun show loophole? Wouldn’t that be good?” And I said, “no, we’re not going to do that.” And so far, nothing’s happened on that.

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...cticut-effect/

    NRA always raising the bar .... on assholiness.


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    What passes as a "bubba intellectual" (excuse the oxymoron), he wrote a book full of weird bull , all of it bubba rabble rousing bull , yee haw!


    Medicare Is ‘De able,’ And Nine Other Crazy Ideas From The Man Who Wants To Be Virginia’s Next Governor

    Virginia’s tea partying Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli (R) has a new book out today: The Last Line of Defense: The New Fight for American Liberty. Here are ten of the most bizarre ideas advanced by this book:

    1) Medicare Is ‘De able, Dishonest, and Worthy of Condemnation’


    Cuccinelli quotes a story about an “elderly woman painfully huddled on a heating grate in the dead of winter . . . hungry and in need of shelter and medical attention.” It would be wrong, according to this tale, for a mugger to “walk up to you using intimidation and threats” in order to steal money to pay for the woman’s care. And so, this story concludes, it must also be wrong for government to use its power to tax and spend in order to provide for a sick woman’s needs:

    What if instead of personally taking your money to assist the woman, I got together with other Americans and asked Congress to use Internal Revenue Service agents to take your money? . . . Don’t get me wrong. I personally believe that assisting one’s fellow man in need by reaching into one’s own pockets is praiseworthy and laudable. Doing the same by reaching into another’s pockets is de able, dishonest, and worthy of condemnation.

    2) Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid and Food Stamps Are Deliberate Attacks On Americans’ Freedom


    In what is already one of the most quoted lines in the book, Cuccinelli attacks the entire social safety net

    One of [politicians'] favorite ways to increase their power is by creating programs that dispense subsidized government benefits, such as Medicare, Social Security, and outright welfare (Medicaid, food stamps, subsidized housing and the like). These programs make people dependent on government. And once people are dependent, they feel they can’t afford to have the programs taken away, no matter how inefficient, poorly run, or costly to the rest of society.

    3) If We Don’t Tax People, They’ll Just Give All Their Money Away To Charity


    “Your government will never love you,” Cuccinelli proclaims. Only “[c]hurches and charities can love you and nurture your soul.” So Social Security and Medicare are bad because they take money away that could go to charities that love you — “[i]f instead of spending all this money on social service programs, the government left all those dollars in the hands of the taxpayers, Americans would have more money to donate to private charities and churches.” It apparently does not occur to Cuccinelli that David Koch or Grover Norquist might do something other than fund a nationwide retirement and health care program if relieved of the need to pay taxes.

    4) All Welfare Is Uncons utional


    “[P]ublic charity was never supposed to be a function of the federal government,” proclaims Cuccinelli, citing a single 1794 speech on the Cons ution by James Madison. In reality, Madison led a minority faction during the early days of the Republic to shrink America’s power to govern itself more than the Cons ution’s text permits. He lost.

    5) An rust Law Is Uncons utional


    Cuccinelli also strongly implies that the Sherman An rust Act, which prevents monopolies, cartels and similar practices that allow wealthy corporations to exploit consumers, is uncons utional — “For the first hundred years of our national existence, the Commerce Clause functioned just as Madison and the framers had expected. However, beginning with the Interstate Commerce Act in 1887 and the Sherman An rust Act in 1890, Congress began asserting more affirmative power under the Commerce Clause.”

    6) George Washington Did Not Understand The Cons ution

    Cuccinelli claims that the Affordable Care Act’s requirement that most people carry health insurance is uncons utional because the same logic would also permit a gun mandate — “[i]magine how apoplectic the big-government statists would get if Congress voted to force everyone to buy a gun!” In 1792, however, President George Washington signed a law that did actually require many Americans to buy firearms, in addition to a long list of other military equipment. A gun mandate would certainly be a stupid idea today, but neither George Washington nor the many framers who sat in the Congress that passed this law thought it was uncons utional.

    7) Pregnant Women And Women With Breast Cancer Should Lose Health Care


    Cuccinelli attacks laws requiring insurers to cover certain kinds of care, likening them to forced food purchases — “[i]imagine if you never ate kumquats or sweet potatoes, but the grocery store was required to include them in your grocery bag . . . . That’s what happens with coverage mandates.” In reality, of course, no lawmaker would vote for a kumquat mandate, but 49 states and the District of Columbia have laws requiring health plans to cover reconstructive surgery after breast cancer, mammograms, and maternity stays. Cuccinelli backs a health plan that would eliminate these protections.

    8) Global Warming Is A Conspiracy Among Climate Researchers To Trick People Into Giving Them Money


    In a chapter detailing his legal witchhunt against a leading climate scientist, Cuccinelli suggests that the entire idea that global warming exists is actually a massive conspiracy to trick funders:

    One reason climate researchers may have given up the purity of science to forward a global warming agenda was simply for the research money. When researchers in the field of climatology predicted a global warming doomsday, governments were willing to shovel lots of money in their direction to try to find ways to stop it.

    To explain the fact that no scientist has yet come forward to blow the whistle on this nefarious plot, Cuccinelli concludes that they must have “felt intimidated by their colleagues, the media, and high-ranking government officials.”

    9) Net Neutrality Is Like Stealing Someone’s Land


    Net neutrality is the idea that Internet service providers should treat all data equally, rather than censoring content that they do not approve of or slowing it down. Cuccinelli likens regulations seeking to maintain net neutrality to land theft — “Internet service providers owned the pipelines that got people onto the Internet, which made this a private property issue, too . . . . We rightly balk when the government seizes a home and turns it over to a private developer to build a mall because that is offensive to our notion of property rights. This situation is very much the same.”

    10) Liberty Is Just Like Pie


    Cuccinelli concludes with an odd metaphor:

    The liberty pie never changes size. It never grows or shrinks, and it has only two slices: government power and citizen’s liberty. What changes are the size of the slices.
    Every single thing government does to increase its own power increases the size of its slice of the liberty piece. Since there are only two slices, every time the government’s slice of the liberty pie grows, the citizens’ slice is reduced.

    Pie is delicious, but Cuccinelli has a very poor understanding of liberty. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased the federal government’s authority to intrude upon business owners who engage in segregation, but anyone who lived under the yoke of Jim Crow understands that it also massively expanded human liberty. The same can be said about Medicare, Medicaid or the Affordable Care Act, which all preserve the single most important freedom of all — the freedom to remain alive and healthy.

    Simply put, freedom is not just another word for nothin’ left to lose, and Cuccinelli is wrong to claim otherwise.
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...llis-new-book/

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    Some pretty extraneous stuff there.

    I thought the OP referred to Clinton's saxophone rendition of old Van Halen. That's a YouTube I would click on.

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    extraneous is what thinkprogress and alternet.borg is all about. .

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