excuses is all i see
how come the same cant be said about those teams who have gone through roster changes?
yeh keep on sugar coating clown
I don't disagree with that tbh I was just pointed out that this stretch of tough games was at the beginning of the season and tp had a very slow start. Recently he is putting some great performances in less than 35 mn a game. Moreover it's not like he never had very good games against elite teams before.
We can play that game. Without LeBron, the Heat would be without their primary facilitator and best defender by a wide margin. The Thunder without KD, you make it sound like they're a bunch of scrubs, when in reality they'd have a starting lineup of Westbrook/Martin/Sef/Perkins/Ibaka. That's a solid team that plays good defense. Wade is clearly better than anyone on that 5 but Ibaka is a far better player than Bosh, and Martin/Allen would be at best for the Heat a wash. The Heat would be effective on offense but they would not be nearly as effective or flexible on defense.
You're talking about taking the best offensive and defensive player on a team vs. the best offensive and a decent defender. Pretty straight-forward difference if you ask me.
Wait, so you were serious?
Without LeBron:
Mario Chalmers / Norris Cole
Dwyane Wade / Ray Allen
Shane Battier / Mike Miller
Udonis Haslem / Rashard Lewis
Chris Bosh / Chris Anderson / Joel Anthony
You said the Heat would be horrible and would almost certainly be a lottery team... in the Eastern Conference? They still have three all star caliber scorers as primary options. They still have plenty of depth. They actually still have defensive flexibility thanks to Battier, Haslem, Bosh, and Miller being able to defend multiple positions. They still have a lot of three point shooting. And they still have front court depth. Whether they're worse than the Thunder without Durant is one thing, but you said they'd be horrible and almost certainly a lottery team... in the Eastern Conference? That's why your comment was disingenuous. A conference who's #6 playoff seed is currently occupied by a grossly mediocre Atlanta Hawks team, but a team led Wade/Bosh/Ray Allen/Battier/Haslem/Miller would be in the lottery?
Without Durant:
Russell Westbrook / Reggie Jackson / Eric Maynor
Kevin Martin / Jeremy Lamb
Thabo Sefolosha / DeAndre Liggins / Perry Jones
Serge Ibaka / Nick Collison
Kendrick Perkins / Hasheem Thabeet
I say they're worse off without Durant than the Heat without LeBron, especially when you look at the depth of each team. Without Durant, they need to start relying on guys like Liggins and rookies Lamb and Jones who both haven't really played so we don't know what we can expect from them. And without Durant, Westbrook basically can shoot every time he touches the ball with no one to put him in check or take the ball away from him when he bricks like 5 straight shots. Yeah, we can go back and forth, but I really disagree with your assertion. And what made your assertion so ridiculous was your claim that the Heat would be horrible and be in the lottery without LeBron. I mean, come on. In the Eastern Conference?
And since when was Serge Ibaka far better than Bosh? Bosh might have been overrated earlier in his career, but he's still a guy who can be a #1 option on offense and is still solid all around in other areas of the game. Ibaka will never be more than a kickout secondary option jumpshooter or alley oop finisher or an offensive rebounder on offense.
Anyway, you can believe what you want. I obviously disagree with it. I just didn't think you were serious with that comment...
CP3 missing too many games to be considered for MVP.
lol @ Rondo being the main guy.
He might make the most headlines, but everyone knows that Boston is still all about the Pierce/Garnett combo.
Spursfan overrating yet another player.
Regular season wins don't mean . We know damn well Parker is gonna need Duncan and a near allstar Kawhi to sniff the WCF
but as to the thread le. no
Not to mention Bosh led some crappy Raptors teams to the playoffs as the #1 option.
Replace Bosh with Ibaka on those teams, and they would be fortunate to win 20.
I knew Cry Havoc could talk out of his ass, but it still never ceases to amaze me, the stupid that he posts.
Bah, that's true. The East is so bad, the Heat would probably make the playoffs. Put the Thunder in the East without Durant though, and I think they still make the playoffs as well.
But point taken, the Heat wouldn't be a lottery team in the East without LeBron.
You'd rather have Chris Bosh on your team than Serge Ibaka? Bosh is a good offensive player but he's nowhere near the caliber of defender that Ibaka is. The Heat sans LeBron would certainly score but their defense would take a big hit. The Thunder without Durant would still be able to play pretty respectable defense at worst.Without Durant:
Russell Westbrook / Reggie Jackson / Eric Maynor
Kevin Martin / Jeremy Lamb
Thabo Sefolosha / DeAndre Liggins / Perry Jones
Serge Ibaka / Nick Collison
Kendrick Perkins / Hasheem Thabeet
I say they're worse off without Durant than the Heat without LeBron, especially when you look at the depth of each team. Without Durant, they need to start relying on guys like Liggins and rookies Lamb and Jones who both haven't really played so we don't know what we can expect from them. And without Durant, Westbrook basically can shoot every time he touches the ball with no one to put him in check or take the ball away from him when he bricks like 5 straight shots. Yeah, we can go back and forth, but I really disagree with your assertion. And what made your assertion so ridiculous was your claim that the Heat would be horrible and be in the lottery without LeBron. I mean, come on. In the Eastern Conference?
And since when was Serge Ibaka far better than Bosh? Bosh might have been overrated earlier in his career, but he's still a guy who can be a #1 option on offense and is still solid all around in other areas of the game. Ibaka will never be more than a kickout secondary option jumpshooter or alley oop finisher or an offensive rebounder on offense.
Anyway, you can believe what you want. I obviously disagree with it. I just didn't think you were serious with that comment...
FWIW, I should just retract the lottery statement. I think both teams would be able to be a 6-8 seed even out West, but probably no higher than that. Even so, Durant provides a lot of offense to a team that's excellent on D. He fits, but there's no way you can argue that Durant compares to LeBron on D, and since they're both pretty equal on offense, the MVP should be pretty clear. If Durant wins, it's going to be a combination of LeBron having 3 MVPs in a row and the fact that defense is severely undervalued when it comes to MVP voting.
It's easy to point to OKC's flaws in their roster without KD, but it's completely biased to do so without recognizing what LeBron brings to the Heat on both sides of the ball. Even today, even Pistons fans don't give defense the credit it deserves.
ROFL so a Wade/Bosh/Allen team is in the lottery in the same Eastern Conference where the Bucks are a playoff team, meanwhile Serge Ibaka suddenly has the ability to be a franchise player.
You know your knowledge of the game is limited if you really think Serge Ibaka is a quality defender. Blocks aren't defense. You'd think a fan of a team with Tim Duncan would know that.
you remove lebron from the heat, that heat team is still better than anything wade led heat ever had...probably as good as the 06 heat, to say they wont be in the playoffs is plain ignorance
Hollinger on Ibaka's "defense" -
lol spurfans "he curbstomped us in the WCF so obviously he's the GOATThere's a lot more to defense than blocking shots, people. Ibaka finished second in the Defensive Player of the Year voting based on his phenomenal shot-blocking total, but the Finals really underscored how far he has to go to be an elite defender overall. Ibaka's shot-blocking skill is second to none -- his 5.38 blocks per 40 minutes led the league comfortably -- but he still struggles mightily against face-up 4s and in the finer elements of help defense.
Overall, then, he was merely decent defensively. The Thunder were better with him on the court but not dramatically so (2.8 points per 100 possessions), while Synergy Stats rated him in the middle of the pack. The Thunder didn't act like he was a vital defensive cog, either, often opting to keep Kendrick Perkins or Nick Collison on the court instead of him."
Nice strawman. I never said Ibaka was a franchise player. I said he was better on defense than Bosh.ROFL so a Wade/Bosh/Allen team is in the lottery in the same Eastern Conference where the Bucks are a playoff team, meanwhile Serge Ibaka suddenly has the ability to be a franchise player.
lol never said any of those things
lol stretch comprehensive skills
I've learned over the years to not drink Frenchie's Kool-aid, insofar as buying into him as a player who can will a team to a playoff victory over another contender. Parker is a very good player, sometimes great, but is consistent almost to a fault. Other than the '09 first round and game 6 against the Thunder, Parker has never erupted in a playoff series much beyond his career scoring average. For the Spurs to have any chance at winning the le, he needs to play like he did in last year's game 6 for the whole series, not just one or two games. 20-22 point-per-game won't be enough to beat the Thunder or Heat.
That said, it's somewhat of an unfair burden on him. Point guards shouldn't have to be tasked with leading their team in scoring. It's not supposed to be their job. But since the Spurs lack another 18-20 ppg perimeter scorer (Manu is no longer a threat to average 20 points-per-game over a playoff series. And if he does so, it'll be one of those "30 points one game/10 points the next" affairs), he really has no choice.
Ibaka's a good defender. He's got a long way to go, but he's still a good defender.
Nice lie. You said Ibaka was a "far better player than Bosh".
Well , I meant a far better defender.
except hes notWell , I meant a far better defender.
this is where KL comes in where you can have another legit offensive weapon who has a wider skillset than whatever is on the bench, but he is force to be a spectator of the 3 TOSB and super gary show...fck that
now back to the hero tp, he is not someone u can rely on to carry the burden of the team...he is nothing more than an opportunists whose given the green light to do whatever he pleases on the court out of the system, have u seen games where duncan has the hot hand and they go for 2 quarters without feeding him again cooling the hot hand...too many wankers on the team trying to contribute to bricking new houses
his production has been consistent, it doesnt go up alot in the playoffs compared to say duncan, even though duncan coasts in the regular season, his playoff stats go up to what he usually posts in playoffs during his prime...so once again wtf is coat riding who?
So a good defender with an incredibly limited offensive game that relies almost completely on the wide open looks he gets because of Durant/Westbrook is "far better" than an above average defender who has for years shown the ability to put up 20+ on his own but sacrifices for his team?
lol another lieWell , I meant a far better defender.
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