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Ok, so following your logic: if Durant is an incredibly gifted offensive player but obviously limited as a defender vs. LeBron who is unstoppable on offense as well and also a top 10 defender in the league, doesn't that make LeBron the MVP?
If you meant "defender" you wouldn't have written "player". Just admit you're re ed and move on
Ok, so following your logic: if Durant is an incredibly gifted offensive player but obviously limited as a defender vs. LeBron who is unstoppable on offense as well and also a top 10 defender in the league, doesn't that make LeBron the MVP?
Lebron should never get a league MVP award after stacking with Wade and Bosh, I don't care what his stats are or how many rings he ends up with. It's people like CP3, Tony and DRose (if he was playing) that make all the difference in the world for their respective teams. Lebron does, but he had to have the 2nd best player in the league at the time in Wade, and then another AS in Bosh. Now they end up with Ray Allen as well? No MVP. Sorry. Finals MVP, ok. If Lebron was that valuable to his team they wouldn't need all the other AS talent.
Yeah, I mean Jordan didn't have any other all-star (or HOF, or top 30) talent on his team, neither did Duncan for 3 of his le runs, or Magic, or Bird.
Jordan made Pippen a top 50 player. Lebron did not do that for Wade. No Jordan, Pippen is just a fancy McDyess. Duncan was drafted, as was Magic, as was Bird. Try harder.Yeah, I mean Jordan didn't have any other all-star (or HOF, or top 30) talent on his team, neither did Duncan for 3 of his le runs, or Magic, or Bird.
3 point guards. If that don't beat it all.
Right, Lebron has never made a player better. He just took a team with Drew Gooden as his second best player to the Finals, and won 60+ games multiple times with Mo Williams as his #2 option.
Statistically, Durant and Lebron are neck and neck, especially the advanced metrics like TS%, Offensive/Defensive Rating, Win Shares and Win Shares per 48 minutes. Durant has the edge all season, but Lebron is catching up and at this pace should pass him. CP3 was up there until he started missing games. He can definitely mount a come back because he's uber efficient. Amazingly, his usage rate isn't nearly as high as Durant/Lebron/Parker. Not dominating the ball as in years past. Right now, Durant has the slight edge over Lebron, but Lebron should pass him if he continues what's he doing recently. Parker is doing top 5 well, but not enough to be the real MVP. What hurts him is his defensive metrics aren't as high as Durant/Lebron/CP3.
You wouldn't have an issue with that if CP3 actually went to the other LA team. Dirk would be in there if he was healthy this year, probably, and I think Paul George, Melo and Pierce would be up there as well. Of course KD is in the talks. But yes, the three PGs I mentioned have more to do with the W/L records (when healthy) than anyone else on their teams and their teams are doing very well.
He deserved his MVPs then. Not now. Thanks for keeping a steady keel on the gotry though and inferring things I obviously didn't say or mean.
what the ???
he isnt with the team he drafted, whined his way out of town, and ended up on a team with Amare Stoudemire
Amare isn't anywhere near Wade's level. I don't even consider him at Bosh's level.
translation: you're right, but here's some emoticons because I hate admitting it. Lebron is as good or better than he was then, but he joined up with another MVP quality player in Wade and of course with Bosh. He didn't get a ring with his sub-par help. He was swept the out by TOSB and Parker.
regardless, he whined his way out of the team he drafted so he could join a seemingly superior squad
at least Lebron gave cleveland the courtesy of living out his contract
translation: i don't know what the im talking about, so i make up bull to justify my not knowing what the im talking about
Lebron's last two regular seasons in Cleveland were incredible. All-time great regular seasons. The trade for Jamison really hurt that team in 2009-2010. Their frontcourt of Shaq/Ziggy/Varejao/Hickson was pretty strong before that trade. Jamison messed it up and got his ass kicked by KG in the playoffs. Varejao would have provided more resistance. They could have gotten to the Finals if that trade didn't happen.
I am not a fan of Melo, but he's played very well this year and is a major reason the Knicks are even in the hunt. I have nothing against Lebron, I've defended him here countless times, but when you join forces with someone like Wade, you don't deserve the MVP. The Heat would not be champs if they traded Wade and only got Lebron, no Bosh.
so ur saying without jordan, pippen wont be a top50 player? he probably be another allstar in the easts without any recognition...but still could be an allstar calibre player...
LeBron James is easily the MVP of this league...you can debate who's 2nd to your heart's content though
and in 08-09 they had the misfortune of running into a 3-pt shooting team that was firing on all cylinders. sometimes you just can't do anything against a jumpshooting team that is on fire as a whole.
Even with Bosh and Wade on his team, Lebron controls the game enough to warrant regular season MVPs. His presence decreases the overall production of Wade and Bosh who would normally get way more touches. Plus, Lebron's defense is awesome as well.
no
because that team would blow even more ass than almost any team that Lebron had in cleveland
Absolutely. No way Pippen becomes a top 50, no one even really notices him if he doesn't play along side MJ. He would have been a great player still, but he's associated with the 2 3peats.
They also had the misfortune of having Mo Williams.
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