I'm sure it'll get scoffed but, whatever, this stretch of games by David Robinson is one of the greatest stretches I've ever seen:
The quadruple-double alone was impressive but to have another near quadruple-double in the same time frame followed by a 50-point game. And a ho-hum 34/10/9/4/4 mixed in. All wins despite this starting lineup: Robinson along with Vinny Del Negro, Willie Anderson, Dale Ellis and Terry mings
A bigman with no true point guard on the court and no other player in the starting lineup who was even above average ... yet he still posted video game numbers while dragging his team to wins.
Disgusting, tbh.
Close call but Lebron. He has a much better cast than Kobe's ty one ... so it's tough. Kobe CARRIED that team. But Lebron making it look easy tbh ...
Kobe had to work much harder for his streak. It was incredible but James is doing some crazy stuff too and seems to turn it on and off when needed.
Amazing. One the top 5 greatest regular season players during his prime. Just never was able to follow up his regular season brilliance in the playoffs.I'm sure it'll get scoffed but, whatever, this stretch of games by David Robinson is one of the greatest stretches I've ever seen:
The quadruple-double alone was impressive but to have another near quadruple-double in the same time frame followed by a 50-point game. And a ho-hum 34/10/9/4/4 mixed in. All wins despite this starting lineup: Robinson along with Vinny Del Negro, Willie Anderson, Dale Ellis and Terry mings
A bigman with no true point guard on the court and no other player in the starting lineup who was even above average ... yet he still posted video game numbers while dragging his team to wins.
Disgusting, tbh.
What's your take on the reason? Coaching? (lol Bob Hill and John Lucas) Supporting cast? (I honestly don't think it was that bad, featuring Sean Elliott and Avery Johnson, along with some solid role players) David's lack of a back-to-the-basket post-game? Combination of all?
A great player, possibly the most naturally talented big man (in terms of overall game) to ever set foot in the NBA, who was the league's leading scorer should never get bottled up like this in a playoff series (averaged 20 points per on 41 shooting), no matter who he has as teammates or who his coach is:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...404300SAS.html
David has top 5-10 talent, but for whatever reason, couldn't maximize it.
7 foot 1 and could do things like this:
I've never seen a 7 footer get out on the break that fast. David's athletic gifts shame that monkeyballer Dwight. And he was pretty damn fundamental, too, aside from his post game.
DRob had a bad supporting cast. That year Hakeem had Drexler (who led a team to two Finals in his own right), and guys like Horry who would hit big shots.
Robinson's quadruple double was amazing but I'd say Kobe's scoring streak was more impressive than Lecrab's current streak. When you score 50 points in consecutive games, that's impressive and difficult.
Just realized 2 of those games from Kobe were 60 points or more. That's nuts tbh.
Complicated answer, obviously but leading reasons:
1. Robinson played in a poor era for his skillset. If he plays during Showtime or in today's game, he's unstoppable. Unfortunately for him, he played in a slow era that allowed tons of contact. Bad luck.
2. His lack of low-post game hurt. But, really, it wasn't his fault. Robinson was 7-foot-1 with a 30-inch waste, he didn't have the body type to be great posting up. I'm not the world's biggest KG fan but I think it's silly when he gets criticized for not ever developing a low-post game. Players who are top heavy and skinny physically can't be great on the block. In the playoffs, having a big with a low-post game was deadly -- especially in the illegal defense era. Today, it's not as deadly due to the zone rules.
3. Bad roster composition. If you have a dominant big, you surround him with three-point shooters to create space for him. The Rockets had the best three-point shooting teams in the NBA in 1994 and 1995. , even the Magic figured out that surrounding D-Ho with three-point shooters would maximize his skills. Robinson was stuck on a team that couldn't shoot so the opposition could double or triple him without care.
4. Coaching was obviously bad. Teammates were pretty damn bad prior to Duncan. Sean Elliott is one of my favorite players ever but he was massively overrated. A two-time All-Star who never had a PER above 16.3? WTF, that doesn't even make sense in retrospect.Leonard as a rookie had a higher PER than Elliott ever had. Robinson's best teammate during his prime was Rodman ... and he wasn't even interested in playing basketball.
I see merit in claims that Robinson didn't have a killer instinct or whatever. When you play in the Michael Jordan era and are compared to MJ's compe iveness that bordered on mental illness, Robinson was too self-aware to live up to that standard. But still, if he's in today's NBA, he's probably regarded as an above average compe or.
The redeeming thing for a Robinson fan such as myself is that as advanced stats become better and better, Robinson's legend continues to grow. From RAPM to APM to WS48 to even PER, Robinson grades out as one of the very best regular season players ever ... like in the top five. And if we knew in 1999 what we know now in terms of what wins basketball games, Duncan and Robinson would have been given equal billing. Robinson had the higher PER and WS48 in the regular season and tied Duncan in WS48 in the postseason. Robinson wasn't still in his prime in 1999 but he was probably still a top 5-7 player.
/classyrobinsonfanrant
Last edited by timvp; 02-13-2013 at 01:19 AM.
I give D-Rob a lot of but I have to hand it to him for selflessly embellishing his injury for the betterment of the franchise. It takes humility and--like timvp said--"self-awareness" to realize it was never gonna happen with him as the man.
Why all the hate for the Admiral? Is it his bible thumping ways?
That's a small part of it (Rodman seemed to work on the teams before and after him). I just think he's incredibly over-worshipped by spurfan. If you look at his playoff #'s when he was the man there's almost always a drop-off in production from the regular season. Furthermore, he's lost 4 or 5 playoff series despite having HCA (as the man)--and he never ran into Jordan, the Bad Boys, Showtime, Celts, etc. He was a leader of a team that racked up 55-60 win seasons on the reg and would get unceremoniously bounced from the playoffs
I think the majority of Spurfan worships him more for the person he is
06-07 kobe was the best pure scorer the league has seen since jordan tbh. could score at will back then, even the best scorers (like ray allen and gilbert arenas) could only notch the 60 figure once or twice in their careers, kobe managed to do that quite a few times and even dropped 81pts in a single game
The most amazing thing about this streak is that you get the idea that LeBron isn't even in top gear. He's doing all of this almost to amuse himself while calmly steering his team to wins. LeBron could easily take over a game and score 50 if he wanted to, but why? What's the point? Probably by his 2nd year in the league LeBron already knew something that Kobe has never learned -- getting teammates as involved as possible wins games down the road.
I mean, come on people. You're saying a guy who's scoring 30 a night and shooting over 60% with relative ease couldn't kick in into high gear and hang another 20 points on a team if he took his shooting % down to 50-55%? Please.
Likely it would have to be a big man. Dwight Howard did have a similar stretch of 5 games in February 2011 where he averaged 31 points on 74% shooting. Carlos Boozer came close a couple times in Utah. It's obviously more impressive with LeBron because it's not all dunks like Dwight or pick-and-pop open jumpers like Boozer. But a 5 game stretch like that is possible and has been done and done recently. If Durant is really feeling it, I could see him coming close to that for a 5 game stretch. I wouldn't be surprised if Dirk did it at some point in his prime in the mid 2000s. Dwyane Wade had a close 4 game stretch in the 2006 playoffs against the Pistons. I think it's more doable than 4 straight games of 50+ points. Other than Kobe, the only other player in recent years that I think could score 50+ points in 4 consecutive games is Allen Iverson.
I wouldn't say that Kobe's stretch had little substance to it. At the time, the Lakers were fighting for a playoff spot in late March and coming off a 7 game losing streak when Kobe rattled off those stretch of games. Without it, the Lakers probably don't make the playoffs that season. And more to the point, LeBron play has fueled his team but he actually has a good team around him. When Kobe had his stretch of games, he was basically doing it by himself with little to no help from teammates and against teams whose sole focus defensively was to stop Kobe.
If LeBron maintains this type of efficiency in the last 30 or so games to the end of the season, I would argue that it will be the greatest individual season in the history of the league because he would likely end up averaging over 30 points at or around 60% FG shooting as a wing player in today's NBA. The Wilt 50 PPG season and Oscar's triple double season would be the only seasons arguably better and if you consider era, they probably wouldn't be.
No, and no it hasn't. The only ones to EVER do it for 5 straight games had been Adrian Dantley and Moses Malone. LeBron is the ONLY player to ever do it for 6 straight games. Not even Wilt tbh...
I just gave you the one that was done recently, Dwight Howard in February 2011 (games from February 11 to February 25).
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelo.../dwight-howard
Dwight averaged 30.8 PPG on 73.8% FG shooting in that stretch of 5 games. Seeing how in the original post, LeBron's FG% was 73.7% and it was rounded up to 74% by DAF, I didn't see a huge issue rounding up Dwight's numbers.
edit: perhaps the other distinction is that Dwight scored 20 points in one of those games, but in DAF's original post, he did say "average."
What spurraider pointed out is true, and it's when 'scores 30+ points' on consecutive games, not the average.
ESPN was showing the stat the other night.
Please refer to posts #20 and #22 in this thread where DAF specifically stated AVERAGING 31 points on 74% shooting and to which spurraider responded to, not consecutive games of 30 points on 60% shooting. What he is saying now is not what he was initially responding to when he said nobody else could do.
Damn...props Midnight. Also while I respect Lebron's game and think what he is doing is incredible, I think the fact that Kobe's 2006-2007 team was extremely mediocre and he was regularly double teamed in those games makes it very impressive as well.
Jam, I'm not saying you're wrong. Just pointing out where that Dantley and Malone stat came from.
He probably misread the averaging portion of DAF post.
DAF's post was pretty clear. And it included 74% shooting, not 60% shooting, so it is not something that should have been misread.
DRob was garbage that Tim Duncan had to drag to a le.I'm sure it'll get scoffed but, whatever, this stretch of games by David Robinson is one of the greatest stretches I've ever seen:
The quadruple-double alone was impressive but to have another near quadruple-double in the same time frame followed by a 50-point game. And a ho-hum 34/10/9/4/4 mixed in. All wins despite this starting lineup: Robinson along with Vinny Del Negro, Willie Anderson, Dale Ellis and Terry mings
A bigman with no true point guard on the court and no other player in the starting lineup who was even above average ... yet he still posted video game numbers while dragging his team to wins.
Disgusting, tbh.
LeBron's streak is having 6 consecutive 30 point games shooting 60% in each game. OP is wrong if he said average
Howard went to NBA straight from HC. He didnt have chance to improve his skill sets or shooting ability. Probably because he is lazy or he thought that power and dunking ability is enough. Now it is too late. And since his athletism declined, giving him 100mln/5 yrs is risky and probably not worth it. But it`s Lakers problem.
To compare him to other big athletic freak - Blake Griffin. I saw Clippers @Knicks and I was really amazed, how Griffin upgraded his shooting skills. Guy must be really working on it. He`s still young, but good to see, that he didnt stop only on dunking.
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