Mavs: Dirk: "Kobe the best player in the last 15 years, Duncan the best PF ever."

[DeadlyDynasty]

plus the butter on his movie Theater popcorn just ain't right...

literally laughed out loud

[td4mvp2k]

Bend over, I'll butter your in' popcorn.

[Koolaid_Man]

You're more level headed than the lot of us, Jam.

You're conscientious enough to just ignore the massive hype and myth that surrounds Kobe, as well as the innumerable proclamations by his fanboys of his incalculable greatness, and just let people be en led to their stupid opinions, because you know how fruitless it would be to try to change an unwilling mind that is steeped in such deep fanaticism it borders on the psychotic.

For whatever reason, I'm compelled to challenge their mindset, which quite often manifests itself in the kind of "hate" you describe (never crediting Kobe for anything). I think it's because the only suitable counter to the fanboy's overblown hyping of Kobe is overblown hate, since many of them are never interested in having a thoughtful debate about Kobe's actual status as an NBA great (top 8-12 all-time) rather than the myth they've built for him (GOAT or 2nd greatest of all-time).

And I guess Spurs fans will always baited into such since the Duncan vs. Kobe debate has raged on since about '06.

Nothing that you or that got Jamstone say is gonna change my mind...I prefer you to be detractors...both you guys are (1) gay or (2) pussies...I saw Jammie's pic and he looks like a stright sucking kid that weighs a paltry 105 lbs...and Mid don't even let me get started on your ugly ass...

Hate my all you want real playas know the deal...

volume 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoqbgOZrEg

volume 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxYZAgKRtM8

volume 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtGJSiMqpWk

[Koolaid_Man]

He's talking about females.

why you jocking me DMC?

[DMC]

I don't click links. Embed it or forget it.

[DMC]

why you jocking me DMC?

It's close to Valentine's Day and I wanted you to know someone is thinking of you, even if those thoughts are not very flattering.

[Koolaid_Man]

It's close to Valentine's Day and I wanted you to know someone is thinking of you, even if those thoughts are not very flattering.

translation: " It's close to Valentine's Day and I'm frustrated I have no one to talk to."

[Koolaid_Man]

I used to bash Dirk but it looks like he's a real after all....Welcome to Kool's fandom Dirk....

[midnightpulp]

Nothing that you or that got Jamstone say is gonna change my mind...I prefer you to be detractors...both you guys are (1) gay or (2) pussies...I saw Jammie's pic and he looks like a stright sucking kid that weighs a paltry 105 lbs...and Mid don't even let me get started on your ugly ass...

Hate my all you want real playas know the deal...

volume 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoqbgOZrEg

volume 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxYZAgKRtM8

volume 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtGJSiMqpWk

See, the reason you're so insistent on constantly trumpeting Kobe's greatness here is because deep down you're insecure about his legacy.

I can tell you Spurs' fans don't constantly spam Timberwolves/Celtics boards with 4>1. Or, unless it's in response to Mav fan trolling on here, no one says "Duncan 4, Dirk 1."

When something is accepted as fact, which in that case is Duncan being a greater player than either of those two, there's little reason to remind people of it.

Back to my initial statement. The reason you're insecure about Kobe's legacy compared to Duncan is because of:

Duncan: 3

Kobe: 2

One thing the greatest players of their era had in common is that they lead all their peers in Finals MVP wins. Magic in the 80s. Jordan in the 90s. Duncan/Shaq in 00s.

And it burns your in monkey ass that Kobe trails behind Duncan in that very important count.

[Koolaid_Man]

You'd be a fool. No way Kobe gets any of the Spurs teams to a Finals. Wouldn't happen. Imagine Tim on the Lakers now instead of Kobe. They are in the playoffs because Tim lets Steve run the show, and gets the ball inside to Howard when he can. No ego, just skill, like an old well oiled piece of machinery churning out results year after year. Kobe isn't just a body with skills, and you cannot separate his ego and at ude from his game and pretend they are two different things. You buy one, you get the other, and that combination is problematic when he doesn't have the ability to do what he thinks he can do. Sure he could go off when no one was guarding him back in the Shaq days, but he was playing with the most powerful bigman of all time in my opinion, and Shaq could have scored 50 a game if they got him the ball more often. Kobe did more harm to that team than good imo. There's no reason that team shouldn't have gone 4 or 5 in a row.


Sorry, all the pla udes are great, but it's bull .

yeah yeah yeah..yada yada yada.... ohh btw DMC...my NBA All Star Game Tickets Just arrived is ing awesome...I got mad parties I'm hittin this weekend....what you doing besides Jerking off?

[midnightpulp]

yeah yeah yeah..yada yada yada.... ohh btw DMC...my NBA All Star Game Tickets Just arrived is ing awesome...I got mad parties I'm hittin this weekend....what you doing besides Jerking off?

Houston residency confirmed.

LA poser.

"Subway series."

[Koolaid_Man]

See, the reason you're so insistent on constantly trumpeting Kobe's greatness here is because deep down you're insecure about his legacy.

I can tell you Spurs' fans don't constantly spam Timberwolves/Celtics boards with 4>1. Or, unless it's in response to Mav fan trolling on here, no one says "Duncan 4, Dirk 1."

When something is accepted as fact, which in that case is Duncan being a greater player than either of those two, there's little reason to remind people of it.

Back to my initial statement. The reason you're insecure about Kobe's legacy compared to Duncan is because of:

Duncan: 3

Kobe: 2

One thing the greatest players of their era had in common is that they lead all their peers in Finals MVP wins. Magic in the 80s. Jordan in the 90s. Duncan/Shaq in 00s.

And it burns your in monkey ass that Kobe trails behind Duncan in that very important count.

no sir...see I have a brilliant basketball mind...but unlike most Laker fan here...I quickly learned from Cully and Luva that all you guys want is the bull so I give it to you..plus there is nothing like paying you back for all those years I had to endure Duncan 4 Kobe 3..... ing with you clowns is like a being released from prison and sent to live in a house...

[Koolaid_Man]

Houston residency confirmed.

LA poser.

"Subway series."

So I don't get it..what do you get out of it....listen I don't live in Houston....I am a native of LA...and Subway series is legit....

[midnightpulp]

no sir...see I have a brilliant basketball mind...but unlike most Laker fan here...I quickly learned from Cully and Luva that all you guys want is the bull so I give it to you..plus there is nothing like paying you back for all those years I had to endure Duncan 4 Kobe 3..... ing with you clowns is like a being released from prison and sent to live in a house...

And now you have to endure Duncan 3, Kobe 2.

Just the way it is, my living in Houston friend.

That said, be secure in 16>4. End of the day, front of the jersey is more important than the back.

[midnightpulp]

So I don't get it..what do you get out of it....listen I don't live in Houston....I am a native of LA...and Subway series is legit....

But you do. It's been confirmed many times. By Kori. m>s's observation of your knowledge of Houston underground hiphop. Your blackplanet profile

You probably only been to LA as a tourist.

[Koolaid_Man]

But you do. It's been confirmed many times. By Kori. m>s's observation of your knowledge of Houston underground hiphop. Your blackplanet profile

You probably only been to LA as a tourist.

you're a ing clown

[Koolaid_Man]

So mid what are you doing this weekend?

[Koolaid_Man]

You want to hang out with my crew...lots of Hoe's white ones too? You down

[Latarian Milton]

the journalist tricked dirk into making these stupid comments imho. only mentioned kobe and dirk gave the eulogy to him, when the fact is that dirk would've made the same complimentary comments on whoever else. if you ask him next "so does it mean that you take Duncan over KG as well?" he would respond "oh, no, KG is in fact a small forward, he's the best small forward of all time..."

[ezau]

Oh, no, no. I'm not. He's got four rings.


http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...tch-shark-tank

So this is Dirk telling his franchise that 4>1. We knew that thing a long time ago, yet Mavs fans couldn't accept it.

[Leon Black]

So this is Dirk telling his franchise that 4>1. We knew that thing a long time ago, yet Mavs fans couldn't accept it.

1>3

[Deuce Bigalow]

I know I have the reputation as the biggest Kobe hater on here, but I don't place Duncan over him all-time out of any kind of homerism or "hate." Simply put, the facts work in Duncan's favor in this particular player comparison.

Duncan was the lead dog on 4 championship teams, winning 3 Finals MVPs. Kobe was the lead dog on 2 championship team, winning 2 Finals MVPs.

Duncan has two of the top best statistical Finals performances of all-time. Kobe has not placed on that list.

Duncan is the better statistical performer in the playoffs than Kobe. Hate PER all you want, but it's a much better metric than arbitrarily comparing per game stats. And if we want to go down the road of comparing per game stats, Duncan wins more categories.

While Kobe was a solid perimeter defender, Duncan is one of the best interior defenders/paint anchors of all-time, and arguably the best defender of his generation (can make an argument for Garnett).

Some quotes from one of the best articles examining the debate:

"There really isn’t any diplomatic way to this: Tim Duncan’s playoff performances essentially run circles over Kobe Bryant’s. Indeed, the Big Fundamental has five postseason performances that surpass Kobe Bryant’s best playoff run (2001-02, 2005-06, 2002-03, 2006-07, 2008-09) and also several other notable playoff performances. It’s not by accident that fans and people in the media shower Duncan with praise and peg him as the best power forward of all time; he has had an exceptional career."

“Kobe Bryant has been known to shut down his opponent whereas Tim Duncan was known to shut down entire offenses by himself”. Indeed, Duncan’s productivity as well as his efficiency have made the Spurs team a championship contender throughout his tenure in San Antonio while the same cannot be said about Bryant.

http://www.warriorsworld.net/2011/02...-debate-close/

And every time Kobe/Lakers fans are presented with these facts, rather than try to have substantial debate, they default to their 5>4, 81 points, Kobe owns Duncan in the playoffs (which he doesn't) shtick, because they know they lack a sufficient enough counterargument to really challenge the notion that Duncan is the better all-time player.

That said, Kobe definitely has more left in the tank than Duncan, and I can honestly see Kobe playing at a star level until 38. If he manages to impress with a good playoff performance and another Finals MVP in the coming years, I'll concede Kobe as the better player. But currently, I just don't believe Kobe has enough factual ammunition to definitively place him over Duncan.

You just will never get "it".

Duncan has to be above Kareem, Magic, and Bird also on the all-time list according to "rings as the man" or by FMVPs.

[td4mvp2k]

you're a ing clown

Some1 needz 2 Fuk dis foo ^

[midnightpulp]

You just will never get "it".

Duncan has to be above Kareem, Magic, and Bird also on the all-time list according to "rings as the man" or by FMVPs.

Get "what?"

That you don't have an effective counterargument?

And fail by mentioning Kareem, Magic (don't know why you bring him up since he was the man on 4 le teams, and some would say he was the man from the first day he put on his Lakers uniform) or Bird. Those players were from different eras. Also Bird vs. Duncan on the all-time list is a very, very debatable issue. Yeah, yeah Bird vs. Magic rescued the NBA and all that, but what hurts Bird in his case against Duncan or Shaq or even your hero (some have ranked Kobe over Bird all-time) is that back injuries cut his career short and he was pretty much done as a top player by '88. Still very good, but nowhere near prime form.

Duncan and Kobe are from this era, and as it stands, Duncan has been the "man" on more le teams, won more Finals MVPs, is considered the better defender, and has better overall playoff stats than Kobe.

What don't I "get?"

Oh, I know, I don't worship PPG, like yourself.

You want me to buy Kobe over Duncan, prove it to me. Right now, ALL the facts work in my favor.

[Kidd K]

Dirk: offensive player who isn't known for defense.

Does he select the great offensive player, not known for defense?

Or the good offensive player who's well known for his defense?


Dirk picked the guy most similar to him. The shooter who doesn't play a lot of D'.

Imo, Duncan is both the best PF and best player of the last 15 years. Kobe's extra ring doesn't mean to me. He got 3 with Shaq who was better than him all 3 years.

Kobe is only elite in one category, scoring. Duncan is elite in shot blocking, reboudning, defense, and is also an elite big man scorer.