Dozenth Oden Update: Oden in talks to Sign with the Cavs on Multi Year Deal.

[Chinook]

Don't get the Grant Hill reference. elaborate...

Hill came back from terrible knee injuries to have a long and productive career. He never regained his superstar abilities, though.

[Darkwaters]

Yea, Grant Hill has been solid in a second life as a former superstar turned super 7th or 8th man.

[JR3]

Multi year deal? that's a risk...

[cd021]

Hill came back from terrible knee injuries to have a long and productive career. He never regained his superstar abilities, though.

Hill had a big contract that essentially guaranteed he would play in the NBA. Obviously he bounced back after an insane amount of injuries. Oden isn't going to be an superstar, thats not what i meant. I meant he could be an very useful big man within a rotation.

20 minutes a game something like 8pts, 5 rebs., and 1.5 blks per game would basically be what I'd be imagining what he could be as an bench player in the NBA.

Walton was a superstar, and managed to reinvent himself as a 6th man with the C's. McDyess managed to return as a useful role player after several knee issues ,as well. I wouldn't be shocked if Oden can comeback and contribute to someones team.

[cd021]

Multi year deal? that's a risk...

Partially guaranteed. Use Brandon Roy's contract as an I.E. the second year isn't guaranteed. It's essentially a make good deal. That deal actually could become valuable because he can be traded and waived at a later date.

[cd021]

He had the potential to be one of the greatest defensive big men of all time. He was always a work in progress on offense, it was his defensive potential that was his main strength.

Ryen Russillo (from SVP & NBA Today) was talking about how one of his former coaches was telling him how much of physical freak he was. He could switch on to a PG at the top of the 3 point line. Keep up with them as the attack the rim and block the shot with ease. That kind of sounds like what Dwight Howard became (pre-Lakers, at least.)

[Chinook]

Hill had a big contract that essentially guaranteed he would play in the NBA. Obviously he bounced back after an insane amount of injuries. Oden isn't going to be an superstar, thats not what i meant. I meant he could be an very useful big man within a rotation.

20 minutes a game something like 8pts, 5 rebs., and 1.5 blks per game would basically be what I'd be imagining what he could be as an bench player in the NBA.

Walton was a superstar, and managed to reinvent himself as a 6th man with the C's. McDyess managed to return as a useful role player after several knee issues ,as well. I wouldn't be shocked if Oden can comeback and contribute to someones team.

I was just answering your question. And I don't know how contracts worked back then, but nowadays, a player gets all of their guaranteed money no matter what (except when off-the-court stuff allows a team to void a deal). So a modern Hill wouldn't need to make a comeback to get his money.

I generally agree with you that Oden could still end up being an effective role player. However, I think he's going about the process of doing that wrongly. I think he needs to go to Phoenix and wallow in obscurity for a couple of years while slowly building up his health and game. The last thing he needs is to be in a big market, or have Dan Gilbert breathing down his next. Oden still wants to be a superstar, and I don't think he'll be able to come back until he lets that idea go.

[cd021]

I was just answering your question. And I don't know how contracts worked back then, but nowadays, a player gets all of their guaranteed money no matter what (except when off-the-court stuff allows a team to void a deal). So a modern Hill wouldn't need to make a comeback to get his money.



I generally agree with you that Oden could still end up being an effective role player. However, I think he's going about the process of doing that wrongly. I think he needs to go to Phoenix and wallow in obscurity for a couple of years while slowly building up his health and game. The last thing he needs is to be in a big market, or have Dan Gilbert breathing down his next. Oden still wants to be a superstar, and I don't think he'll be able to come back until he lets that idea go.

I believe Hill was on a 7 deal and spent much of the first 3 or 4 with DNP's. Thats not entire true about contracts. A team can sign a player to a mufti-year with little risk financially. Baynes in on a 3 year deal with the 1st 2 guaranteed for 1.1 million (granted this season is pro-rated so they can pay him less because he signed so late in the season) and his 3rd is worth 1.1 million qualifying offer.

Oden could be signed for a deal somewhat comparable to Brandon Roy ( who got more because he was "more healthy" and productive in his career prior to this season.) 2 year 10 million is what Roy got. Oden could conceivable sign for something like 3 years 10 million, with the the last being either a RFA or an ETA. This would be appealing to Oden because he doesn't need to prove anything in one season and if he is productive he can get an pay increase in RFA.

Splitter deal is also a good one to look at his 1st two season were for a combined 6.6 million with the 3rd being an Restricted Free Agent.

I really believe Phoenix staff to be somewhat overrated, they had Nash & Hill play well late into their careers. That doesn't necessarily translate into them being the best in the business. The Spurs & Celtics training staff should be looked at in that light as well. Oden taking time off from the mental and physical grind of constant rehabbing shows patience and maturity not to rush back. If he returns next year I don't think he would be ready by opening night. When he is healthy enough to play, i'd imagine some D league assignments as well to ease him back into the NBA.

[Chinook]

I believe Hill was on a 7 deal and spent much of the first 3 or 4 with DNP's. Thats not entire true about contracts. A team can sign a player to a mufti-year with little risk financially. Baynes in on a 3 year deal with the 1st 2 guaranteed for 1.1 million (granted this season is pro-rated so they can pay him less because he signed so late in the season) and his 3rd is worth 1.1 million qualifying offer.

Oden could be signed for a deal somewhat comparable to Brandon Roy ( who got more because he was "more healthy" and productive in his career prior to this season.) 2 year 10 million is what Roy got. Oden could conceivable sign for something like 3 years 10 million, with the the last being either a RFA or an ETA. This would be appealing to Oden because he doesn't need to prove anything in one season and if he is productive he can get an pay increase in RFA.

Splitter deal is also a good one to look at his 1st two season were for a combined 6.6 million with the 3rd being an Restricted Free Agent.

I really believe Phoenix staff to be somewhat overrated, they had Nash & Hill play well late into their careers. That doesn't necessarily translate into them being the best in the business. The Spurs & Celtics training staff should be looked at in that light as well. Oden taking time off from the mental and physical grind of constant rehabbing shows patience and maturity not to rush back. If he returns next year I don't think he would be ready by opening night. When he is healthy enough to play, i'd imagine some D league assignments as well to ease him back into the NBA.

Superstars tend not sign non-guaranteed deals nowadays. So bringing up a rookie deal doesn't really apply to Hill.

Splitter signed a straight three-year, fully guaranteed deal. His year as an RFA doesn't start until next season, if he doesn't get a new long-term deal from someone (he will).

Once again, I am not saying Oden's next deal is going to be fully guaranteed; I'm saying Hill's probably was, so he (Hill) probably didn't need to come back to get his money.

And Greg Oden will never be an RFA again. That only happens in two situations: a free agent with less than three years in the NBA and a first-round pick after his fourth season. Oden was an RFA last season, and he signed a one-year, $9.8 Million deal to get rid of that distinction. Now that he's been released, he'll be a UFA whenever he's a free agent.

[cd021]

Superstars tend not sign non-guaranteed deals nowadays. So bringing up a rookie deal doesn't really apply to Hill.

Splitter signed a straight three-year, fully guaranteed deal. His year as an RFA doesn't start until next season, if he doesn't get a new long-term deal from someone (he will).

Once again, I am not saying Oden's next deal is going to be fully guaranteed; I'm saying Hill's probably was, so he (Hill) probably didn't need to come back to get his money.

And Greg Oden will never be an RFA again. That only happens in two situations: a free agent with less than three years in the NBA and a first-round pick after his fourth season. Oden was an RFA last season, and he signed a one-year, $9.8 Million deal to get rid of that distinction. Now that he's been released, he'll be a UFA whenever he's a free agent.

My mistake. I apparently misunderstood the points you were making. Hills was fully guaranteed. I forgot about the RFA rules. Splitter is a RFA this off-season. I know you weren't saying that Oden was getting a fully guaranteed deal I was just bringing up contracts that he could be potentially signed to.