CNN Cuts Live Feed of Dorner Standoff: Special Report

[Winehole23]

I can't imagine a cir stance in which authorities would be justified -- in any way -- in killing a suspect by burning down a structure (and possibly forcing the suspect to remain in the structure, as has been reported about this cir stance). As long as he's alive in the structure, there's always the chance to effectuate an arrest and comply with due process. He may be dangerous, even in a structure, but he isn't imminently dangerous to anyone other than himself and the law enforcement personnel who besiege the structure (assuming, as seems to be the case here, that he held no hostages in the structure).

I get that some might think that Dorner had somehow made himself ineligible for basic cons utional protection in our system, but if you fundamentally believe in American cons utionalism, you must necessarily believe in according due process to even the most loathsome among us.

Impatience doesn't become a justification for murder and neither does a concern for one's own incompetence.

if authorities call the suspect a terrorist, yes they do. evolving standards of due process and so forth.

Neither does anger -- the fact that you wear a badge doesn't mean that your anger is somehow justifiably exercised in killing another person; when dudes get mad at other dudes and kill them, that's a criminally punishable homicide.

True, but "revenge against terrorism" is a political hand sink for bloody crime.

[FromWayDowntown]

if authorities call the suspect a terrorist, yes they do. evolving standards of due process and so forth. True, but "revenge against terrorism" is a political hand sink for bloody crime.

Yonivore?

[Winehole23]

hey, someone's got to speak up for the revival of outlawry and medieval notions of pursuit.

[Winehole23]

due process needs to evolve to back where it was in 1150CE or so.

[Winehole23]

outlawry? check.

lawless pursuit by the posse comitatus? yep.

the ordeal? for terrorists? yer damn tootin.

[Winehole23]

(the comparison of the ordeal to "enhanced interrogation" is misleading. the Anglo-Saxon ordeal was a mode of proof, like trial by jury.)

[SA210]

[Winehole23]

pretension to memehood, check.

was there a media feed of the scanner or something?



(don't horde the knowledge, dude.)

[TeyshaBlue]

Thank God Obama hasn't banned shotgun microphones yet!

[Winehole23]

a ban on assault microphones? think of the reputations saved.

[Winehole23]

finally watched the youtubes.

if the voices recorded are the officers at the scene, and if the (mostly) decontextualized clips mean what they seem to mean, it looks pretty bad.

hard to have much confidence in such fragmentary, decontextualized evidence, but if true, it's frankly damning.

[TeyshaBlue]

finally watched the youtubes.

if the voices recorded are the officers at the scene, and if the (mostly) decontextualized clips mean what they seem to mean, it looks pretty bad.

hard to have much confidence in such fragmentary, decontextualized evidence, but if true, it's frankly damning.

Indeed. This story might have some legs.

[Wild Cobra]

Indeed. This story might have some legs.

I agree. Too many cops are corrupt, but it is seldom the public gets a chance to see it.

[boutons_deux]

I agree. Too many cops are corrupt, but it is seldom the public gets a chance to see it.

guess who pays?

Chicago Police Department Brutality Costs Taxpayers Millions in Settlements

http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/comme...in-settlements

[Wild Cobra]

guess who pays?

Chicago Police Department Brutality Costs Taxpayers Millions in Settlements

That's one reason why corrupt police need to be removed from their jobs.

[boutons_deux]

That's one reason why corrupt police need to be removed from their jobs.

they usually get suspended with full pay and benefits until the affair quietens, then they're back on the job

[Wild Cobra]

they usually get suspended with full pay and benefits until the affair quietens, then they're back on the job

Yes, I know. That's what happen to the Portland Police officer that murdered Kendra James, here in Portland.

[Jeff Van Gundy]

So does that give the police the right to kill the occupant of the house without a trial?

What if they find a body, and it isn't Dorner?

This is probably the only time I agree with WC. It would have been so ed up if someone other than Chris was in the cabin.

[Stringer_Bell]

lol @ the use of "highly flammable hot gas" as a last resort. I also lol'd @ how they found Dorner's ID conveniently among the burned remains - brings back memories of 9/11 hijackers.

I figured this whole thing was a fraud when it first came on the news, it hasn't made sense from the start. I started thinking about how scary it was to imagine that the media could pick out a citizen, find a few murders to pin on him - then hunt him down. The power of the media is scary as .

[SnakeBoy]

hard to have much confidence in such fragmentary, decontextualized evidence, but if true, it's frankly damning.

Idk...didn't the cops also shoot two innocent people they mistook for Dorner and shoot at another. Add it all up and it seems pretty likely that this was a case of Wanted Dead or Dead.

[mouse]

lol @ the use of "highly flammable hot gas" as a last resort. I also lol'd @ how they found Dorner's ID conveniently among the burned remains - brings back memories of 9/11 hijackers.

On tonight's Nightly News:
Dorner manhunt ends in Waco style fire; has Dorner's wallet become a traveling gnome?
Tune in tonight: 7pmCT http://bit.ly/InfowarsTV

[Winehole23]

Idk...didn't the cops also shoot two innocent people they mistook for Dorner and shoot at another. Add it all up and it seems pretty likely that this was a case of Wanted Dead or Dead.

that ain't the American way, bro. or, didn't used to be.

[Wild Cobra]

Police will shoot at their own shadow these days.

[Winehole23]

lol @ the use of "highly flammable hot gas" as a last resort. I also lol'd @ how they found Dorner's ID conveniently among the burned remains - brings back memories of 9/11 hijackers.

I'm not a truther or a twofer, but that occurred to me too. The body can't be identified yet, but the ID is intact?

I figured this whole thing was a fraud when it first came on the news, it hasn't made sense from the start. I started thinking about how scary it was to imagine that the media could pick out a citizen, find a few murders to pin on him - then hunt him down. The power of the media is scary as .

The media didn't do it. And actually, LE didn't need the media's permission to do it.

[Winehole23]

, the media will absolve that. Who's for the bad guy?