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Because, until you can do this, you cannot make the case for brainwashing.Good. Now, you've got to define the elements of brainwashing and apply them to context..ie radically different beliefs in context to X. Get to work.
Because, until you can do this, you cannot make the case for brainwashing.Good. Now, you've got to define the elements of brainwashing and apply them to context..ie radically different beliefs in context to X. Get to work.
You continuing to assert that something is true doesn't make it true. Provide evidence that I have been brainwashed.
I haven't been brainwashed into thinking that tooth fairies don't exist. Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Or the Invisible Pink Unicorn. God hasn't met its burden of proof, so I don't believe in him. It's that simple.
I am not making any cases to anything - I merely answered the OP's question - and I answered it truthfully and correctly.
A) No one knows or has proven that God exists.
B) No one knows or has proven that God does NOT exist.
C) The people on either side that claim to know are brainwashed into thinking they know.
All of us have a lot of brainwashing to clear during our lifetime if we ever want to be free of any of it and hopefully arrive nearer to truth.
Until then - live with whatever level of brainwashing you are comfortable with.
Last edited by silverblk mystix; 02-14-2013 at 05:52 PM.
How? You keep stating this, yet you have provided no evidence for this claim at all. Even the definition of "brainwash" that you posted does not support your claim.
#1) You or I or anyone else alive don't know who or what "god" is...how the do you think your little "logic 101" is going to apply to him or her or it?
Stupid Stupid Stupid.
Just because some professor taught you a little "burden of proof 101" doesn't mean that a "god" is going to "subscribe" to your little "I don't have to prove....blather"
You aren't able to corral "god" into your little "logic 101 classroom" and have him play your "proof" game.
If you can say you don't know if god exists - you might not be brainwashed.
If you say - I know god doesn't exist because "he hasn't proven it" then you are most certainly brainwashed into believing you "KNOW" something.
You don't KNOW much at all in these matters - neither do any of the rest of us in here.
I think your engagement of BD is getting to you again, old man.
God looks wet and he is red or blue depending on what room he is in. I know this because I have been told that he lives in my heart.
Sorry Drachen.
....brainwashed and all...
All of this recent conversation is besides the point. To me the question is that absent teaching, would God as he is known in any religion that you choose be arrived at?
I would argue that the answer to that is no evidenced by the radical differences in deism found in isolated populations. It is no coincidence that all of the major religions are exclusionary and have proselytization deeply rooted in doctrine. It doesn't come about on its own.
Now if you like you can argue that most every society comes up with some sort of God and I cannot disagree with that but I see no reason at all whatsoever to believe in any self evident, a priori, objective 'God.'
Why wouldn't logic apply? We apply logic to everything else, so why does God get a pass?
It's not about God applying; it's about us applying the burden of proof to God. You haven't explained why we should give him a pass yet.Just because some professor taught you a little "burden of proof 101" doesn't mean that a "god" is going to "subscribe" to your little "I don't have to prove....blather"
Yes I am, and I just did.You aren't able to corral "god" into your little "logic 101 classroom" and have him play your "proof" game.
Not really.If you can say you don't know if god exists - you might not be brainwashed.
No, I am not. Again, you don't know what "brainwash" means.If you say - I know god doesn't exist because "he hasn't proven it" then you are most certainly brainwashed into believing you "KNOW" something.
Again, you're a moron. I already made the distinction between knowledge and belief, so you trying to pull this card only makes you look more like a dumbass. I can come to the logical conclusion that God doesn't exist because there is zero evidence that he exists. That is not the same as knowing that God does not exist.You don't KNOW much at all in these matters - neither do any of the rest of us in here.
If I am wrong, I am wrong. That doesn't mean that I was brainwashed.
Well, you obviously are brainwashed- and worse - you were brainwashed by someone pretty in' stupid...
you've been brainwashed into thinking you don't know much.
Yet you act as if you have extensive knowledge that we don't know much.
Rather paradoxical
Ummm no, you didn't. You inserted brainwashing into the discussion as a methodology without the slightest attempt at a test of concept. You still cannot make the case for brainwashing in a cogent manner.
You can apply logic to mechanical things all you want.
Applying logic to god which is a mystery is like a blind man who has never seen describing what the color GREEN is.
He should STFU because - just like you - HE HAS NEVER SEEN!
No one on this planet has SEEN GOD so you don't know what the you are blabbering about. But you have most definitely been BRAINWASHED into thinking that you can figure out whether god exists or doesn't through your JR. COLLEGE LOGIC!!!!!
So if you continue to assert you KNOW that god doesn't exist - you are certainly proving how strong your brainwashing is.
Well - first of all - I don't know what you believe or don't believe or anything else about you - so I couldn't point out where your brainwashing lies.
If you are a human being - you didn't just wake up today and suddenly know things, right?
So someone brainwashed you but I don't know to what extent yet.
just leave, re .So if you continue to assert you KNOW that god doesn't exist - you are certainly proving how strong your brainwashing is.
No, I learned things. In that process I discarded things I didn't believe to be true and accepted some things might be true, while understanding that other things are demonstrably true.
Nobody programmed me when I woke up today.
No, not really. Unicorns have never been seen, but we can come to the logical conclusion that they don't exist because there is zero evidence for their existence. The same goes to God.
See above.He should STFU because - just like you - HE HAS NEVER SEEN!
No, I have not. You don't know what brainwashing means.No one on this planet has SEEN GOD so you don't know what the you are blabbering about. But you have most definitely been BRAINWASHED into thinking that you can figure out whether god exists or doesn't through your JR. COLLEGE LOGIC!!!!!
So if you continue to assert you KNOW that god doesn't exist - you are certainly proving how strong your brainwashing is.
Your argument is self-defeating, because you are trying to use logic to show that logic doesn't apply.
I understand the case you are trying to make. Were I to apply your contextualization, I would assert that you were the product of vigorous brainwashing.
Tell us your diagnosis Dr. Brainwash
Pretty decent super-villan, tbh.
So, silverblk mystix first started off by saying that everybody has been brainwashed because they have been taught things are true without knowing if they are true or not. He then backtracked and stated that this brainwashing only applies to things like God, freedom, love, and spirituality without making any kind of argument for why that's true. Now he's just equating being wrong about something with being brainwashed, but he can't provide a single definition of "brainwash" that defines it as just "being wrong about something."
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