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    I see.

    You are incapable of a debate.

    Goodbye troll.

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    Are you saying you no longer stand by that statement?
    I don't play your childish guessing games.
    How about directly telling me what you disagree with?

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    'debate' As I said I have zer interest in 'debating' your most recent google compilation.

    misrepresent [ˌmɪsrɛprɪˈzɛnt]
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    (tr) to represent wrongly or inaccurately

    It's a verbatim quotation where you applied basic supply and demand. There is absolutely nothing 'wrong' or 'inaccurate.'

    I then followed up with a quote of how doing exactly what you did is simplistic. That was followed up with a Russell quote where he states that a stupid man has to simplify things in order to understand.

    If anyone is failing at the debate is by using words like 'misrepresent' that you apparently do not understand.

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    Wow...

    Are you saying that the unemployment rate did not skyrocket after the 2007 minimum wage increase?

    Are you saying unemployment didn't sharply increase five of the six times in the past after minimum wage was increased by more than 13%?

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    I don't play your childish guessing games.
    That's not me guessing. That is a question.

    I have made no comment about whether or not I agree or disagree. I just see you oversimplifying as you are wont to do and am pointing it out. I find it amusing that you do it time and again.

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    That's not me guessing. That is a question.

    I have made no comment about whether or not I agree or disagree. I just see you oversimplifying as you are wont to do and am pointing it out. I find it amusing that you do it time and again.
    I see...

    You think your opinion is fact...

    You must think you are a genius.

    FYI...

    A simplified diagram does not to pretend to address everything. You are trying to make a mountain of a molehill.

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    Wow...

    Are you saying that the unemployment rate did not skyrocket after the 2007 minimum wage increase?

    Are you saying it didn't increase five of the six times in the past after it was increased by more than 13%?
    After you criticize my question you follow up with this bull ?

    I have not even commented on it one way or another. I am saying that your S&D comment was a typical oversimplification from you.

    Teysha already said all that needed to be said about this other nonsense from you.

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    After you criticize my question you follow up with this bull ?

    I have not even commented on it one way or another. I am saying that your S&D comment was a typical oversimplification from you.

    Teysha already said all that needed to be said about this other nonsense from you.
    Yes, I get it.

    You aren't here for debate. You are here as a troll.

    I have to admit. I am curious about how ing pathetic your real life must be, for you to be like this.

    You are now on passive ignore.

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    I see...

    You think your opinion is fact...

    You must think you are a genius.

    FYI...

    A simplified diagram does not to pretend to address everything. You are trying to make a mountain of a molehill.
    Opinion that you are stupid? Well, I do think it is merited based on a mountain of empirical evidence. I also think this is some intellectual cowardice. You used an oversimplified model to describe the labor market. It's not as dumb as you ocean as a soda but it's still typical.

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    Yes, I get it.

    You aren't here for debate. You are here as a troll.

    I have to admit. I am curious about how ing pathetic your real life must be, for you to be like this.

    You are now on passive ignore.
    You have been saying this for weeks now. I will tell you the same thing I said before. I don't do this for you. I am still going to point out your insipid nonsense regardless of a response from you. You had me on ignore for a year and I still did it.

    You felt it germane to show an oversimplified model. You don't even argue about that, you just try and pull your typical 'nobody understands me' bull .

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    Back to before the WC derail.

    Does this make any sense?



    Now in 2007, the largest minimum wage increase in decades was implement. Unemployment skyrocketed shortly afterward.
    Research Papers on The Impact of the Minimum Wage on Jobs

    Two decades of rigorous economic research have found that raising the minimum wage does not result in job loss. While the simplistic theoretical model of supply and demand suggests that raising wages reduces jobs, the way the labor market functions in the real world is more complex. Researchers have examined the scores of minimum wage increases that have occurred at the state and federal level and found that these raises have not cut jobs or slowed job growth.

    http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/pages/job-loss
    A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.

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    If you say so. I understand the connection you make, but keep in mind, if a company is operating in "need to borrow" mode, then they are ready to fail under any economic hiccup.

    There is a clear connection between large mandated increases in minimum wages, and recession. Recession has always followed large minimum wage increased over the last 50 years, except for the latter 90's when we had the trifecta. Y2K scare, internet boom, and a paradigm shift in semiconductor manufacturing. Then it crashed when these bubbles burst, just after 2000.
    Leveraging money and debt is business 101. It is a normal course of business. You're completely lost here. There is no connection between min wage and recessions. You need to back that up with actual studies or GTFO.

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    What happens if you superimpose illegal immigrant levels?
    Nothing. They are laughably unrelated.

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    Believe as you wish Boutons.

    Please note that I said:

    If you wish not to be honest in a debate, I won't bother treating you like an adult.
    Look, idiot. When you are faced in opposition by boutons and me, you can rest assured your position is completely ed up, which it is.

    I said:
    Are you serious? Can you not connect the dots between a financial crash, the credit market (you know, the stuff businesses use to expand ((Omfg)), retraction of GDP, and unemployment?
    Notice I made no mention of frail businesses in need to borrow mode.

    Then, in frantic obfuscation mode you decided to restrict the connection to "need to borrow mode" what ever the that is. non sequitur.

    If you say so. I understand the connection you make, but keep in mind, if a company is operating in "need to borrow" mode, then they are ready to fail under any economic hiccup.

    There is a clear connection between large mandated increases in minimum wages, and recession. Recession has always followed large minimum wage increased over the last 50 years, except for the latter 90's when we had the trifecta. Y2K scare, internet boom, and a paradigm shift in semiconductor manufacturing. Then it crashed when these bubbles burst, just after 2000.
    If there is such a clear connection between large, (lol) mandated increases in minimum wages and recesssion, then post a credible cite or two to back that up.
    You make the assertion, you ing back it up. If not, then climb a wall of s and GTFO.

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    65 Republicans Supported Increasing The Minimum Wage When Bush Was President

    A ThinkProgress analysis finds that at least 67 Republicans who are still in Congress today backed an increase in the minimum wage in some form, including Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI).

    Political momentum for an increase began in 2004, after President Bush announced his support for a bill by now-Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY). After Democrats won majorities of the House and Senate in the 2006 elections, a minimum wage increase became one of their first priorities. The Fair Minimum Wage Act — which also included tax cuts for small businesses — passed the House and Senate with overwhelming bipartisan support. When the increase was folded into a larger appropriations bill, it again passed with strong bipartisan support and was eventually signed into law by Bush. 26 House Republicans even signed a letter to then-House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-OH), asking for a vote on a minimum wage increase, including current Representatives S ey Moore Capito (R-WV), Michael Fitzpatrick (R-PA), Peter King (R-NY), Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ), Christopher Smith (R-NJ), and Fred Upton (R-MI). In incremental stages, the law raised the minimum wage from $5.15-per-hour to $7.25.


    Though Ryan ultimately voted against the measure, he argued that he supported raising the hourly rate as long as it came with a suitable “offset” of small business relief. “Last year, I supported an increase in the minimum wage because it also included tax relief measures for employers to offset the cost of the proposed minimum wage increase,” he noted in a floor speech, as he announced “with great regret” that he could not back the bill without more small business tax cuts.

    Like most Republicans, however, Ryan struck a far more defiant tone in response to Obama’s proposal, dispensing of any caveats and telling CNN that “I think it actually is counterproductive in many ways. You end up costing jobs from people who are at the bottom rung of the economic ladder.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...was-president/

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    Did you consider the different amount of labor involved in each?
    I always thought cows enjoyed being milked, except on really cold days, which I can't blame them for.

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    I always thought cows enjoyed being milked, except on really cold days, which I can't blame them for.
    that may be true for your wife or girlfriends, but 4 legged cows getting milked by machines.

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    that may be true for your wife or girlfriends, but 4 legged cows getting milked by machines.
    You milk your wife?

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    Ok, this is just getting weird.

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    Ok, this is just getting weird.
    well a machine having a wife is kind of a far stretch, true, but I don't doubt boutons has the programming to milk many cows.

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    Funny Tesha, how you didn't address the following of high unemployment an recession following 5 of the six increases above 13%.

    That seems a bit beyond coincidence to me.

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    Funny Tesha, how you didn't address the following of high unemployment an recession following 5 of the six increases above 13%.

    That seems a bit beyond coincidence to me.
    lol at addressing something that's not even proven germane. I also didn't address the likelihood of Elvis living on Neptune.
    It's absolutely meaningless unless you can connect the dots. You've failed miserably so far.

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    Ever thought that other issues could cause a recession and high unemployment? Are there common factors to both?

    You have to answer these questions and then you can attempt to make your case.

    Good luck.

    Associated Press-College Station, Tx Feb 15 2013

    Texas A&M Scientists Make Startling Discovery

    College Station-Today, Dr. Leo Thornsten issued the following:

    "In our ongoing research into crop pest eradication and protection, we made a remarkable discovery concerning the common grasshopper. We have observed that when a loud noise is produced in close proximity to a grasshopper, it will jump 8 out of 10 times. In the course of researching the reaction to this stimulus, we removed the legs of the grasshopper, after which, it ceased to jump upon hearing a loud noise.
    Therefore, we conclude that grasshoppers do indeed hear with their legs!"

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    LOL...

    I doubt you understand my point Grasshopper.

    It's the sudden large increase that causes the chaos. Instead of waiting years and boosting the minimum wage by large amounts, it should be more frequent, and never more than a few percent at a time.

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    No, one of use doesn't understand your point and it isn't me.

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