Knicks: 3 Years Ago Tyson Chandler backed up Theo Ratliff for a Bobcats team that got swept

[HarlemHeat37]

It wasn't a good move but I can still see and understand Cuban's reasoning.

Before 2011, Chandler was an incredibly injury prone center who couldn't even start for the Bobcats. He was terrific in Dallas, but even then he was such a fouling machine that he'd have to sit for long stretches, and the last five minutes of every Mavs game was a stressful event since Tyson was almost always playing with five fouls.

At the time NOBODY could say definitively that he'd continue to play as well as he did in 2011 or that he'd stay as healthy as he has. You're a ing liar if you say otherwise.

At that point Dwight Howard was also playing at an MVP level and, even with a healthy Chandler, would have been a massive upgrade. If you say you knew Dwight Howard would, in less than two years, devolve into an injury prone pussy, you're also a ing liar.

You can LOL at Cuban for signing tier centers to better deals, you can LOL Cuban for what, in hindsight, was absolutely a horrific decision. But you cannot seriously take him to task for thinking in 2011 "I have no idea if Tyson Chandler can stay this healthy again, nor do I have any clue if he can keep playing at this level. I also see a guy in Dwight Howard who at this moment is a significant upgrade and possibly available soon".

Yes, Cuban made a huge mistake, but don't act like he has ing Bill Russell in his prime and dumped him for a shot at Tree Rollins.

I understand that logic, but do you think it makes sense for a team to potentially risk a promising le defense, in a league that lacks dominant teams, also knowing that the other top teams did not make any major moves?..

[Findog]

lol son the facial expression on the lonely brotha in the right hand corner says it all. this is great. when did this happen and what caused it?

Marshall Henderson plays for Ole Miss and is gaining quite a rep as an all-around weirdo. The backstory for that GIF is that he either hit a game-winning shot or sank some game-winning free throws to beat Auburn and then ran over to their student section to pop his jersey in front of them.

[monosylab1k]

I understand that logic, but do you think it makes sense for a team to potentially risk a promising le defense, in a league that lacks dominant teams, also knowing that the other top teams did not make any major moves?..

Blowing up a le team is a bad idea no matter what, but this instance, i don't think it was a case of Cuban being stupid as much as it was Cuban overthinking the situation. He saw Miami's Big 3, he saw Boston's, and there were rumors of LA, Brooklyn, and New York going out to form their own superstar team. He took a risk to try and keep up with those guys and he failed miserably. It looks awful in hindsight, but at the time his strategy wasn't nearly as stupid as people make it out to be.

It's also funny that the "2011 Mavs were a fluke" Krew is also in the "why did they blow up their le team?" Krew. If they were a fluke then why bring back the same flukey flukes?

[monosylab1k]

My thinking at the time was that Chandler had already proven himself to be the best center in franchise history, warts and all. He had proven to be the missing piece of the Dirk years. Getting Howard to come here always struck me as a pipe dream. For me it's not trading in Bill Russell for a shot at Tree Rollins but getting rid of a BMW for a longshot chance at a Rolls Royce.

That's fine, but what if that BMW had a long history of being unreliable? Are you seriously going to just assume it won't break down again?

[Findog]

Blowing up a le team is a bad idea no matter what, but this instance, i don't think it was a case of Cuban being stupid as much as it was Cuban overthinking the situation. He saw Miami's Big 3, he saw Boston's, and there were rumors of LA, Brooklyn, and New York going out to form their own superstar team. He took a risk to try and keep up with those guys and he failed miserably. It looks awful in hindsight, but at the time his strategy wasn't nearly as stupid as people make it out to be.

It's also funny that the "2011 Mavs were a fluke" Krew is also in the "why did they blow up their le team?" Krew.

I tend to agree that in this instance Cuban outsmarted himself and overthought things. And I don't see what can be done to the roster this summer to get back into le contention for the last year of Dirk's contract.

[Findog]

That's fine, but what if that BMW had a long history of being unreliable? Are you seriously going to just assume it won't break down again?

At the time Chandler had played 10 years in the L and had managed to play 71+ games in seven of them. I think it was a risk worth taking, considering he was only 28 years old. He played in 74 games for the Mavs after averaging 48 games the previous two for Charlotte and New Orleans.

[Findog]

I mean, they got roasted over the coals for letting a 31 year old Nash walk because they were scared of his injury profile. And Nash was a guy who played a position easier to fill and hadn't led them to a le. Chandler was three years younger, played a position a lot harder to fill and was the second-most important player on a championship team.

[DMC]

The fact that Cubes didn't express interested early on in offering TC a contract is, imo, what drove him to be disinterested in Dallas. Dude was on a one year, came in and won the chip, didn't get any love for it. I think Cuban is smarter than that, I think he's much more savvy than anyone here, and he knew from the start he wasn't resigning the guy. The le was not expected, and he wasn't going to get into a long contract with a guy OKC declined. OKC ed up. No one talks about that.

[DMC]

At the time Chandler had played 10 years in the L and had managed to play 71+ games in seven of them. I think it was a risk worth taking, considering he was only 28 years old. He played in 74 games for the Mavs after averaging 48 games the previous two for Charlotte and New Orleans.

You have to look at what TC was asking for though. Superstar money imo.

[Findog]

You have to look at what TC was asking for though. Superstar money imo.

4/58 was reasonable IMO. Isn't that what he got?

[TDMVPDPOY]

You have to look at what TC was asking for though. Superstar money imo.

his not worth max money, let alone whatever his seeking...for a guy who can only anchor a team defense and nothing else on the offensive end, cant even self create his own shot..

good defender, but nothing special...even tosb duncan is earning 13m a season...that should sound reasonable price range for TC

[Findog]

his not worth max money, let alone whatever his seeking...for a guy who can only anchor a team defense and nothing else on the offensive end, cant even self create his own shot..

good defender, but nothing special...even tosb duncan is earning 13m a season...that should sound reasonable price range for TC

WTF are you talking about? He shoots 67% from the floor. He scores enough that defenses can't completely ignore him. He's not Ben Wallace.

[TDMVPDPOY]

WTF are you talking about? He shoots 67% from the floor. He scores enough that defenses can't completely ignore him. He's not Ben Wallace.

no defender without an offensive game will be gettin max deal, unless u have a stupid gm

[Findog]

no defender without an offensive game will be gettin max deal, unless u have a stupid gm

He has an offensive rating of 137 with a usage rate of 13 percent. He's worth the deal he got.

[monosylab1k]

At the time Chandler had played 10 years in the L and had managed to play 71+ games in seven of them. I think it was a risk worth taking, considering he was only 28 years old. He played in 74 games for the Mavs after averaging 48 games the previous two for Charlotte and New Orleans.

His imjuries were all foot injuries, which imo is not something to gloss over with a 7 footer.

[Latarian Milton]

Blowing up a le team is a bad idea no matter what, but this instance, i don't think it was a case of Cuban being stupid as much as it was Cuban overthinking the situation. He saw Miami's Big 3, he saw Boston's, and there were rumors of LA, Brooklyn, and New York going out to form their own superstar team. He took a risk to try and keep up with those guys and he failed miserably. It looks awful in hindsight, but at the time his strategy wasn't nearly as stupid as people make it out to be.

It's also funny that the "2011 Mavs were a fluke" Krew is also in the "why did they blow up their le team?" Krew. If they were a fluke then why bring back the same flukey flukes?

mono attacking with the truth bombs. if the 2011' championship was a real fluke, then they had no " le team" to blow up because the team was never really that good in the first place. seeing all s that happened around the league and that seemed about to happen, cuban did the right thing in trying to keep his team compe ive in the league and i don't have no doubt about his love for this team. it was a gamble and the mavs lost it unfortunately, but they're at least in a good position to start rebuilding imho.

[Latarian Milton]

I mean, they got roasted over the coals for letting a 31 year old Nash walk because they were scared of his injury profile. And Nash was a guy who played a position easier to fill and hadn't led them to a le. Chandler was three years younger, played a position a lot harder to fill and was the second-most important player on a championship team.

cuban just got deluded by the triple D dream imho

[DMC]

I think the Chandler deal was fueled by the Decision, everyone wanted to cash in and be center stage, as much as possible. Chandler, Nene, Gasol...

[TDMVPDPOY]

mono attacking with the truth bombs. if the 2011' championship was a real fluke, then they had no " le team" to blow up because the team was never really that good in the first place. seeing all s that happened around the league and that seemed about to happen, cuban did the right thing in trying to keep his team compe ive in the league and i don't have no doubt about his love for this team. it was a gamble and the mavs lost it unfortunately, but they're at least in a good position to start rebuilding imho.

but u didnt really need a big 3 to win against a big 3...as shown by the mavs that year...yes they fcked up trying to assemble their own big 3...

but if you look at any big 3 team that has assembled, all you need is a strong structured team and you can pushed them to a longer series...for example look at heat and celtics who were getting pushed by the likes of the hawks, knicks, pacers to longer series then expected...

[DMC]

his not worth max money, let alone whatever his seeking...for a guy who can only anchor a team defense and nothing else on the offensive end, cant even self create his own shot..

good defender, but nothing special...even tosb duncan is earning 13m a season...that should sound reasonable price range for TC

Well, with a lockout looming and not knowing what the rules were going to be, and wanting to save cap space for Howard, CP3 or DWill, no long term contract was in the cards for TC. Dallas wanted (still wants) another franchise player to take over when Dirk retires. They don't want another Haywood ordeal. They got nothing, probably cost them more in the long run but hindsight is 20/20.

[Latarian Milton]

The fact that Cubes didn't express interested early on in offering TC a contract is, imo, what drove him to be disinterested in Dallas. Dude was on a one year, came in and won the chip, didn't get any love for it. I think Cuban is smarter than that, I think he's much more savvy than anyone here, and he knew from the start he wasn't resigning the guy. The le was not expected, and he wasn't going to get into a long contract with a guy OKC declined. OKC ed up. No one talks about that.

agree, dude was in the last year of his contract and he was supposed to player a bit better. cuban just refused to give him a long contract for the fear of having too much money wasted at C, when haywood had already proved himself to be a contract .

[DMC]

cuban just got deluded by the triple D dream imho

He got caught up in wanting a super team like Miami, Boston and LA. Nothing wrong with that, but no one will convince me Mark Cuban didn't prefer that risk over putting franchise level money on a horse that had one good year (at the time). I knew Chandler was good from his Hornets days because the Spurs played them in the playoffs and he was solid, but he did more for Dallas than I expected him to tbh. Dirk was the real beast though, he really regressed the following season, came in weak as , had to take more time off just to recondition.

[TDMVPDPOY]

He got caught up in wanting a super team like Miami, Boston and LA. Nothing wrong with that, but no one will convince me Mark Cuban didn't prefer that risk over putting franchise level money on a horse that had one good year (at the time). I knew Chandler was good from his Hornets days because the Spurs played them in the playoffs and he was solid, but he did more for Dallas than I expected him to tbh. Dirk was the real beast though, he really regressed the following season, came in weak as , had to take more time off just to recondition.

the problem was dirk the last 2 seasons, maybe had mavs resigned the championship roster, dirk wouldve come back with a different mindset...

if clowns like kidd and tc left for NY cause of the money and winning a championship, the same couldve been said if they sign on with the mavs to win another..

even that clown terry had the mindset of winning another one when he signed with the celtics with that stupid celtics tattoo...

all 3 of them had the mindset that they were set to win more championships with there new teams, they wouldve had the same approach if the mavs decided to resign them...they were still a contender if they kept the roster

[Latarian Milton]

He got caught up in wanting a super team like Miami, Boston and LA. Nothing wrong with that, but no one will convince me Mark Cuban didn't prefer that risk over putting franchise level money on a horse that had one good year (at the time). I knew Chandler was good from his Hornets days because the Spurs played them in the playoffs and he was solid, but he did more for Dallas than I expected him to tbh. Dirk was the real beast though, he really regressed the following season, came in weak as , had to take more time off just to recondition.

just like i said before, the loss of ambition has hurt the team more than the departure of any single player, whether its chandler or kidd. they were desperate to win the le in 11 but such appe e was completely gone after they won the championship, similar to the 08' celtics imho. celtics were still a good team after 08' but they never looked a serious championship contender w/o the ambition that won them the 08' le

[DMC]

just like i said before, the loss of ambition has hurt the team more than the departure of any single player, whether its chandler or kidd. they were desperate to win the le in 11 but such appe e was completely gone after they won the championship, similar to the 08' celtics imho. celtics were still a good team after 08' but they never looked a serious championship contender w/o the ambition that won them the 08' le

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