Trade Deadline Deals and Rumors

[timvp]

The Magic have 15 players on their roster so I doubt they will take a 3-for-1 deal for Re in which they have to drop two players ... especially when the Spurs would just be dangling a 27-30 first round pick.

[DesignatedT]

He saw a lot of good looks when Dwight was drawing those double teams. Problem with a Re trade is that you still have the same issues you have with Gary now, that Pop doesn't really have room for him in the rotation unless you pigeonhole him into the backup point.

Even more of a reason to get rid of Neal in my eyes. If Pop really tries him out at PG in the playoffs then I guarantee you he fails. I think Manu will be the primary ball handler with the second unit and putting Re next to him could work the same as Gary I think.

I don't dislike Re 's game but I agree that he's getting paid this summer. I'm not even entirely sold that I want him over Danny tbh as I think Green deserves another shot come playoff time. Definitely don't want JJ at the 8-10 million he'll be asking for in the summer.

Yeah I agree the money is where it doesn't work out.

[Mugen]

Spurs biggest (only IMO) need is a backup PG. Deepest position on the team is the 2 guard.

In terms of best fit & future salary concerns, IMO Ridnour >> JJ

[Mugen]

Even more of a reason to get rid of Neal in my eyes. If Pop really tries him out at PG in the playoffs then I guarantee you he fails. I think Manu will be the primary ball handler with the second unit and putting Re next to him could work the same as Gary I think.

Definitely a valid concern. As I stated earlier, I'm willing to give guys like Neal/Green a chance to redeem themselves this postseason. I think this team as currently constructed can get out of the West.

Re 's biggest value would be having him guard Wade should they get to the Finals.

[crc21209]

It would be a great move to get Ridnour, but what would it take?

[DesignatedT]

What would you want to trade for Ridnour?

[Mugen]

It would be a great move to get Ridnour, but what would it take?

Any competent GM would prob ask for a first rounder and some young talent like CJ or DeJuan.

Considering it's Kahn, we could prob get him for Bonner and a Ricky Rubio poster.

[DesignatedT]

Can Ridnour defend?

[ace3g]

I don't think this big in terms of complicated trades but is it possible since we heard the rumor of Re for Mbah a Moute; maybe a 3 team trade: Spurs, Magic, and Bucks somehow. Been trying to work it in trade machine, but I don't usually mess with 3 teams.

[Mugen]

What would you want to trade for Ridnour?

I'd give up a 1st+Bonner if that's all it took. Not sure I'd give up CJ or Nando though.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs biggest (only IMO) need is a backup PG. Deepest position on the team is the 2 guard.

In terms of best fit & future salary concerns, IMO Ridnour >> JJ

I disagree entirely.

Spurs biggest need is a defensive point guard who can shoot and defend the pick and roll well. When it matters, Manu needs to be the creator/facilitator just about every possession with the second unit. Therefore, an offensive point guard isn't necessarily what the Spurs need. The problem with this is there's essentially no 6'4" and under good to great defensive guards in the league, that can shoot and that are available for what the Spurs can offer.

[DesignatedT]

I wish we could pull off like a Ridnour + Williams for Bonner, Blair, Neal, Mills, pick trade.

[crc21209]

It certainly wouldn't hurt to add another shooter like Re or Ridnour, that's for sure. You never know when guys will go cold in the Playoffs (Like Green did in the WCF's). Having another guy like Re at the 2 guard or even Ridnour at the point would be great...

[crc21209]

I wish we could pull off like a Ridnour + Williams for Bonner, Blair, Neal, Mills, pick trade.

Damn, that would be a steal...

[MaNu4Tres]

I'd imagine the Magic would prefer keeping De Colo or CJ and Bonner's partial expiring instead of Ish Smith and Dequan Jones, no?

[NASpurs]

I disagree entirely.

Spurs biggest need is a defensive point guard who can shoot and defend the pick and roll well. When it matters, Manu needs to be the creator/facilitator just about every possession with the second unit. Therefore, an offensive point guard isn't necessarily what the Spurs need. The problem with this is there's essentially no 6'4" and under good to great defensive guards in the league, that can shoot and that are available for what the Spurs can offer.

That guy was traded to Indiana but we got Kawhi out of it. Besides, I think Joseph could fit in that particular type of mold but that requires time which the Spurs don't have in a championship or bust type season.

[Mugen]

I disagree entirely.

Spurs biggest need is a defensive point guard who can shoot and defend the pick and roll well. When it matters, Manu needs to be the creator/facilitator just about every possession with the second unit. Therefore, an offensive point guard isn't necessarily what the Spurs need. The problem with this is there's essentially no 6'4" and under good to great defensive guards in the league, that can shoot and that are available for what the Spurs can offer.

Every team would love a defensive PG who can shoot and defend tbh. I can only think of about 1 or 2 that fit that description that aren't starters for other teams.

Bledsoe is really the only backup point that can expose the Spurs in that area. Every other contender, the Spurs can live with giving Gary/Nando 10-12 minutes in the playoffs.

[DesignatedT]

It isn't going to happen but If I can get Re for Neal, Bonner, Blair then I would do it. Even if they can't figure out a contract for the future and it's just a half a season rental.

[DesignatedT]

Neal is just a horrible defender and him shooting 35% from three on the season is very underwhelming.

[MaNu4Tres]

Every team would love a defensive PG who can shoot and defend tbh. I can only think of about 1 or 2 that fit that description that aren't starters for other teams.

Bledsoe is really the only backup point that can expose the Spurs in that area. Every other contender, the Spurs can live with giving Gary/Nando 10-12 minutes in the playoffs.

I honestly think Cory Joseph has the tools, skills and body to be that player. Unfortunately, the roster as constructed hasn't allowed Joseph the opportunity.

Between Re and Ridnour though, I'd prefer Re every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[crc21209]

Neal is just a horrible defender and him shooting 35% from three on the season is very underwhelming.

+1. Every time Neal comes in, the opposing PG or SG goes right at him and eats him up. For example, last night Thomas made him look pretty stupid on a couple of his crossovers, and then Tyreke Evans blew passed him a couple times as well. That, and Neal just isn't as automatic as he was last year. It seemed everytime he put it up last year I felt like it was going in. This year, I don't get that feeling anymore...

[MaNu4Tres]

Neal is just a horrible defender and him shooting 35% from three on the season is very underwhelming.

If Neal had the brains, he could be a 50%/43%+ shooter right now. His problem is his shot selection, which can be very ugly at times.

Re is not only a better shooter and offensive player than Neal, but he's better defensively and he's much much smarter. Which in the long run, would benefit the Spurs' efficiency to a relevant degree for the rest of the season and playoffs, IMO.

[freemeat]

I know Thomas Robinson has sucked as a rookie but, damn, this is amazingly quick to give up on a top 5 pick. He was a really good rebounder in college and most people thought he was a steal at 5 -- some mocks had the Bobcats at 2 selecting him. I think the Rockets got the better end of that deal, especially since they didn't give up anything special. Patterson has been decent this year but nothing too exciting.

Tbh, I don't really like either Morris twin. Their engines never seem to rev out of coast-mode.

I completely agree with this. The only thing I can think of for SAC making this deal is that, possibly, new management (since reports indicate they were informed and "approved" of the deal) are hoping to create a sort of OKC-type resurrection in Seattle, by essentially "giving up" on a #5 pick -- either because they are hoping for a deeper draft in the future, a better pick with another tanked season, or just didn't think Robinson has the potential.

I think it's a great deal for Houston, because they have the chance to see what Robinson is made of with a minimal-risk rookie contract.

But I think this move is more indicative of the new ownership's confidence in the fact that they are moving...and want to start from scratch. I would expect a bunch more deals coming from the Kings/Supersonics prior to next season that involve draft picks.

[Mugen]

Btw, I think the Rockets made a damn good move with the Robinson trade. He's gonna be a solid 4 and it clears up their logjam for Terrence Jones to get more time, who deserves it IMO.

They weren't getting past the first round anyway and giving up Morris/Patterson doesn't really hurt their chances of making the playoffs. If T-Rob pans out like I think and they manage to lure Dwight from LA, they're poised to be the best Texas team for the next 3-5 years.

[Mugen]

I honestly think Cory Joseph has the tools, skills and body to be that player. Unfortunately, the roster as constructed hasn't allowed Joseph the opportunity.

Between Re and Ridnour though, I'd prefer Re every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

+1 on CJ but I'm obviously on the Ridnour side of the debate.

My perfect scenario is the the top 3 West teams stay pat and Nando leapfrogs Neal as the backup point for the rest of the season.