Why does christianity dictate that repent and sins are gone?

[DisAsTerBot]

Ok, so trying to talk to you will be wasting time so I will re-phrase my last response since I have read your latest posts;

None of your in' business - but fyi that post didn't interest me in the least and I didn't feel like wasting additional time in something that really didn't interest me.

in other words, you had absolutely no intelligent response to fuzzy's post so you chose to ignore it.
cool.

[silverblk mystix]

Sure. Not exactly in those words, per se, but even WC has admitted he was wrong before. Looks like you've made a wrong conclusion.

I am often wrong. What would you expect from a brainwashed person?

[silverblk mystix]

in other words, you had absolutely no intelligent response to fuzzy's post so you chose to ignore it.
cool.

Another great example of how a statement can be twisted and misrepresented. Thanks!

[LnGrrrR]

Perhaps you have been brainwashed into learning an incorrect definition of the word brainwash?

[DisAsTerBot]

so why didnt' the post interest you? It addressed exactly what you were trying to label "brainwashing". Maybe you skipped right past it because it didn't align with your beliefs. typical.

[Blake]

So there is hope for you - you once admitted to being wrong. I will take your word for it. Remain open.

Problem here is that you are the one that is extremely narrow minded.

Because you're a ing idiot.

Still waiting for the name of the One in a billion. Please tell me his name is Neo. Please.

[silverblk mystix]

one in a billion is enlightened? Where are you getting this from? A movie?

No loaded: Give a name of one person that you are referring to and explain how you know that they aren't blind like you.

Asked a dozen times and answered eleven times already. Just refer to the last eleven identical answers to this same/exact question.

[Blake]

Asked a dozen times and answered eleven times already. Just refer to the last eleven identical answers to this same/exact question.

bull . You're a blind, narrow minded liar that makes up as he goes.

This is a label that is not being issued for no reason. By definition, it is what you are.

[Blake]

I am often wrong. What would you expect from a brainwashed person?

Even though this post is dripping with thick sarcasm, I agree that you are often wrong.

[Blake]

Ok, so trying to talk to you will be wasting time so I will re-phrase my last response since I have read your latest posts;

None of your in' business - but fyi that post didn't interest me in the least and I didn't feel like wasting additional time in something that really didn't interest me.

Stay open minded!

ing idiot.

[Woo Bum-kon]

When someone reaches a "conclusion" about something - he has stopped seeing. At that moment you close yourself off to truth.

Complete lie. People are quite capable of changing their minds after making a conclusion. You're really just posting nonsense at this point.

You have come to the conclusion that I am a (insert labels here) so anything I say - you will be blind and deaf to.

I came to the conclusion that you were wrong because you never defended your position with a good argument.

#2) Why ask for more proof from someone you have concluded is a (insert labels here) ?

That's a really good question. I probably am wasting my time, because you are an idiot. However, that defeats your point, because if I truly didn't want to see the "truth," I wouldn't ask you to provide it several times.

#3) It is a waste of time trying to teach a pig to sing (in this scenario you are the pig) - you will never succeed and it will only irritate the pig.

It's a waste of time because you can't follow simple directions.

#4) Yes, I am being an idiot here- because I know it will be a waste of time....but I'll humor you...

I really doubt that you will ever actually ANSWER my questions, but we'll see.

Since we haven't even agreed on what brainwashing means - we can't really debate it can we? So as a last chance I will post an example and if you agree that it is an example of brainwashing...then I will make time this evening and show you exactly how MOST people in the world are brainwashed/asleep/blind, etc....

We haven't actually agreed because you haven't actually provided a real example.

Would you agree that a person is brainwashed if;
He is in touch with reality and then - someone re-programs his mind so much that after this re-programming - this same person can not see reality anymore?

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

This newly programmed person will not even know he has been brainwashed because everything he sees and believes now - he considers fact. He won't even
question his beliefs and will actually get defensive if someone should ever accuse him of being brainwashed. Is this person brainwashed?

Is this brainwashing?

Yeah, but the thing is, you already provided a definition of the term "brainwash," but you never put it in the correct context. That definition doesn't at all describe me, but you claim it does.

If you agree that it is - I will show you how almost everyone on the planet is brainwashed. This evening.


If you don't consider this brainwashing or want to have another go-round at semantics - then I guess we have nothing more to talk about.

You decide at your own peril.

No, first show how all the people in this thread are brainwashed, then we can get to everybody else. You claimed that I was brainwashed, so show how I am brainwashed.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Someone refusing to admit that they are wrong about something when they clearly are (e.g., Avante) is probably just doing it because they see admitting that they are wrong as a blow to their pride. No brainwashing necessary. No indoctrinating necessary. Your example fails completely because many people admit to being wrong all the time. And you can't point to you being wrong about something and use it as evidence that you are right, because that's bull .

sbm is probably making up as he goes along like a cult leader. That mystic crap is pulled directly from his ass.

[silverblk mystix]

bull . You're a blind, narrow minded liar that makes up as he goes.

This is a label that is not being issued for no reason. By definition, it is what you are.

Great way to get me to take you serious and give you a respectful answer.

[sjacquemotte]

Great way to get me to take you serious and give you a respectful answer.

THey're trolls. They aren't looking for a read debate or discourse. They are trying to get you to admit things about yourself so they can turn it against you. For that to work, they will be as vague as possible so you cannot do it to them. They're no talent ass-clowns!

[Woo Bum-kon]

THey're trolls. They aren't looking for a read debate or discourse. They are trying to get you to admit things about yourself so they can turn it against you. For that to work, they will be as vague as possible so you cannot do it to them. They're no talent ass-clowns!

Oh, the irony. I made a claim and backed it up with evidence from The Bible, and YOU were the one who gave vague non-answers repeatedly, not me.

[silverblk mystix]

Complete lie. People are quite capable of changing their minds after making a conclusion. You're really just posting nonsense at this point.

Conclusion. It has been concluded. It has been arrived at. They are done. They stop looking....get it?



I came to the conclusion that you were wrong because you never defended your position with a good argument.

Or you never understood it.



That's a really good question. I probably am wasting my time, because you are an idiot. However, that defeats your point, because if I truly didn't want to see the "truth," I wouldn't ask you to provide it several times.



It's a waste of time because you can't follow simple directions.



I really doubt that you will ever actually ANSWER my questions, but we'll see.




We haven't actually agreed because you haven't actually provided a real example.




Yeah, I'd agree with that.

Fair enough. I shall show you how a person is brainwashed and how that description will fit all of us in here...some with less brainwashing done to them some with more extensive brainwashing and some who have been brainwashed - but have re-programmed some of it back to gain their freedom.



Yeah, but the thing is, you already provided a definition of the term "brainwash," but you never put it in the correct context. That definition doesn't at all describe me, but you claim it does.

It could be said to describe pretty much everyone here - including myself. Here is the fact - I have stated this before and of course the Blake's and Woo Bung Holes of the World retorted with the usual name-calling but I will repeat it;

We live in an insane asylum - all of us - me included- we are living on crazy ideas, false beliefs and deeeep brainwashing - but the problem is that there are too many of us to change it --- ---we run this in asylum how the are we gonna change it if we can't even SEE that we are crazy?

It is a CANCER but we are not even treating it. We are content to continue to live as sleeping/brainwashed people. Except for a few mystics and a few awakened people.



No, first show how all the people in this thread are brainwashed, then we can get to everybody else. You claimed that I was brainwashed, so show how I am brainwashed.

Let us confirm the premise....Would you agree that a person is brainwashed if;
He is in touch with reality and then - someone re-programs his mind so much that after this re-programming - this same person can not see reality anymore?

I won't even go to a 2nd sentence - because we have seen how TWO simple sentences can really end up unrecognizable after an idiot reads them.

Just agree to that one sentence and we got a deal. If you agree that that person is a brainwashed person - I will break it down for you this evening and show you how that person is YOU, ME AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT POSTED IN THIS THREAD.

[silverblk mystix]

THey're trolls. They aren't looking for a read debate or discourse. They are trying to get you to admit things about yourself so they can turn it against you. For that to work, they will be as vague as possible so you cannot do it to them. They're no talent ass-clowns!

Thanks bro!

I already know this. I already admitted I am an idiot for wasting my time and I know after I play their little game - they will play semantics and name-call and basically just be themselves...no surprise.

I do it in case someone out there that lurks around here sees some truth and investigates it and ponders on it and examines it, analyzes it, tests it, confirms it or rejects it at the end and actually does some good to others or themselves with these truths.

For the regular posters in here - I know-I know--pissing in the wind - you could show them a glass of water and splash it on their face and then ask them if they agreed that the water was wet and they would respond with ---
"no - you are just a in idiot and I didn't see or feel anything you are blah-blah"

Goes with the spurstalk territory. Thanks.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Conclusion. It has been concluded. It has been arrived at. They are done. They stop looking....get it?

I don't get it because it's not true. People can and have changed their minds after coming to a conclusion. You are wrong yet again.

He is in touch with reality and then - someone re-programs his mind so much that after this re-programming - this same person can not see reality anymore?

...and that person refuses to see reality when presented with evidence that goes against his beliefs. If that's what you call brainwashing, then sure, I can agree with that.

[101A]

For the regular posters in here - I know-I know--pissing in the wind - you could show them a glass of water and splash it on their face and then ask them if they agreed that the water was wet and they would respond with ---
"no - you are just a in idiot and I didn't see or feel anything you are blah-blah"

Goes with the spurstalk territory. Thanks.

Took a tour of the local Christian private school this summer (we are Christian). Wife also happens to be a Biochem professor. We asked to see the Junior High life sciences (Biology) textbooks the school uses.

OH. HOLY. !

The first page of the 7th grade books (paraphrasing):

"We the authors of this textbook (Bob Jones University "Profs" btw), believe the Bible to be the True, Unerring, Literal word of God. If we see anything in our lives that suggest otherwise, then we know we are being deceived, and we will not believe whatever false evidence is being presented."

We handed the books back, and ran away in horror. School is growing, btw. As an "evangelical" Christian, I cannot believe the damage these other people are doing to the cause of Christianity by being ignorant tools. Jesus would slap them silly (at least the Jesus I read in Scripture). He did not suffer stupidity lightly (certainly not blind adherence to Dogma). "Test Everything" - from 1st Thessalonians.

BTW: to the OP: Christianity may say repent and go to Heaven = Jesus said this:

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

There it is in a nuts . Pretty simple, tbh. (Also, note, it does not say that everyone that does NOT believe is going to )

Although Jesus did also say this (again, not excluding anyone specifically - he is a path that must be taken, but I've never assumed it meant during this lifetime)

I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Plenty of Christians REALLY have a problem with this line of argument, btw...

But the God I believe in isn't an asshole.

[silverblk mystix]

I don't get it because it's not true. People can and have changed their minds after coming to a conclusion. You are wrong yet again.

Once they concluded - they stopped seeing. Understand? Before they concluded- they possibly changed their minds - Once they concluded - like you and Blake who throw out these conclusions - you are only revealing your blindness. Nothing is more correct than this.


...and that person refuses to see reality when presented with evidence that goes against his beliefs. If that's what you call brainwashing, then sure, I can agree with that.

I will break it down for you this evening.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Once they concluded - they stopped seeing. Understand? Before they concluded- they possibly changed their minds - Once they concluded - like you and Blake who throw out these conclusions - you are only revealing your blindness. Nothing is more correct than this.

You're lying. Whether one is open to change their mind on something or not depends entirely on the strength of their conviction. To claim that everybody who comes to a conclusion refuses to hear contradictory evidence, is a laughable generalization. You are making everything black and white.

[Blake]

Great way to get me to take you serious and give you a respectful answer.

you. I don't need any answer from you.

I'm just here showing how much of a huge ing, hypocritical idiot you are by whining that I'm bullying Christians.

Answer honestly to honest questions at your own peril.

[Blake]

I will break it down for you this evening.

This had better live up to the hype.

I suggest you start a new thread.

lol red ink.

[Blake]

THey're trolls. They aren't looking for a read debate or discourse. They are trying to get you to admit things about yourself so they can turn it against you. For that to work, they will be as vague as possible so you cannot do it to them. They're no talent ass-clowns!

any time you want to defend your notion that Jesus is not God according to the Bible, the floor is yours.

You don't even have to say one word about yourself. Just the Bible.

[Blake]

But the God I believe in isn't an asshole.

Then you don't believe in the God of the Bible.

You're simply making up your own version.


And yes, there is some scary they teach at christian schools.