I agree with your overall post, butat your last sentence b..
Point guards aren't the future of , tbh..
Lebron has another 4-5 years on top, and Durant will also be at the top once puberty has finished with him..
Kobe: Howard, Nash, Gasol, ArtestHarden is a great player, but only haters would take him ahead of Kobe
Considering injuries, Kobe has had a worse supporting cast than Harden this year. They play the same role on their teams, but Kobe is a proven playoff legend. Harden has to prove himself in big games first.
I can only imagine what Kobe could do if refs treated him like they treat Harden too.
Harden: Lin, Parsons
Does anybody have the link to the NBA Forum Harden trade thread?..
I want to bump the posts from 75% of the posters here
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=190765&page=4Does anybody have the link to the NBA Forum Harden trade thread?..
I want to bump the posts from 75% of the posters here
Harlem also right about that Asik too, tbh..
He did say "considering injuries." It still might not be true, but it's not really laughable.Kobe: Howard, Nash, Gasol, Artest
Harden: Lin, Parsons
Gasol, Nash, Dwight Howard have missed a combined 49 games and even when Howard and Gasol have played, they have often been hurt and much worse than 100%.
Parsons, Asik, and Lin have missed a combined 1 game.
And once you get beyond the top 3 supporting cast players (Gasol, Nash, Dwight v. Lin, Parsons, Asik) on each team, Houston might have better quality depth on the roster. That's arguable too. But seeing how the top 3 after Kobe have been injured so much, that might make the difference. Lakers also lost Jordan Hill on the season and Steve Blake for about 25 games. Those are two additional rotation guys. You can still argue that Kobe's supporting cast is better. But if you do consider injuries, there's at least a debate about it.
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30.4 PPG/7.6 RPG/7.3 APG on 56.5% FG, 55.8% 3pt FG, 84.3% FT
what? lebron and durant are only two players. young point guards are more prevalent than young SFs. lebron and durant hold the top spots but there are 28 other teams. chris paul, iriving, lillard, parker, rose, westbrook, curry, and jennings are all high potential players. then you have the second tier point guards like lawson, wall, walker/sessions, and holiday who are still at least in the top 2 options of their team. coaches are constructing their teams around athletic scoring point guards. teams are becoming more point guard centric.I agree with your overall post, but
Point guards aren't the future of , tbh..
Lebron has another 4-5 years on top, and Durant will also be at the top once puberty has finished with him..
other than carmelo and galinari, there are significantly less prospects at SF to build around. maybe gay and paul george. then it dramatically drops off to deng and granger. it doesn't matter if lebron and durant are the top 2 in the league, point guard focused teams are here to stay.
Sure, but those teams aren't going to win , as history has shown us..
Point guard-led teams just don't win..
Derrick Rose was horrible in the playoffs 2 years ago, when the Bulls were picked by many to win the le and challenge Miami..Tony Parker was shut down against OKC and against Memphis the year prior..Westbrook struggled against both Miami and San Antonio last year..Chris Paul hasn't done anything noteworthy in his playoff career..
Teams that build around PGs are going to fail, eventually NBA people will realize this IMO..well, maybe not, but they're still going to fail..
He was just awful, I didn't get it after he eviscerated the Spurs.
I know I shouldn't have laughed but that was funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I4Is0YT5RQ
Goddamn. I know I know, only one game but Harden's been doing solid work all season. Who knows what this guy's ceiling is.
I'll put it this way -- very few players can both thrive as a 6th man and a number one. Outside of his finals choke against us, Harden's resume as a 6th man is pretty much unblemished. We've seen hyped bench players come and go. When they become the number one option they usually crumble. Harden has done the opposite.
If you were to ask the question which of the old OKC big 3 would you have as a number one option:
KD >> Harden >>>>>>> Westbrook.
Harden still isn't better than post-prime Wade and Kobe though... yet.
What's really impressive is that Hardens' per 36 numbers have looked better this year than last despite playing more minutes when most players usually go the other way. His win share per 48 has dropped from .23 to .21 while his total win share has gone from 9.3 down to 9.1, but that is mostly due to him being on a lesser team this year.
The only significant decrease in his numbers are FG% drop (expected), and turnover per 36 minutes. The guy is taking his opportunity to shine as the main guy.
You are 20 kinds of stupid. Stop posting.
You have the IQ of a tomato. Have you watched him this season? He has had insanely efficient games like this all season, down the stretch he hit every one of his 7 straight clutch shots. Have you seen our lineup btw, there is a reason we were projected to win only 33 games this season, and are on pace to win 50+, and we were missing BOTH our power forwards this game. That is a huge hole and the reason nobody expected to win. That game was great last night because it was FUN as , that is all, but you discrediting Harden like that is a re move.
his havin a better season then 05-06 rapists
Prime wade and Kobe are just on a different level, to be included there you need to have some credentials on your resume, which I'm sure he'll do since he is only 23.
It still seems like taboo to put him ahead of Kobe but Kobe has been in the league so long and has put so much wear and tear over the years that his drop is really noticeable, he gets beat off the dribble a lot easier and doesn't finish as well. Wade is doing great and I think people underrate him a lot...
Harden is the flavor of the month and I like his game, but I wouldn't crown him best SG in the WC. This is a knee jerk reaction by the OP who is openly biased towards Kobe all things Lakers. I'll tab him 2nd best though - he is much better then Wade.
If he continues to improve, Harden may be 1st team all NBA. Next year that is. He's that good.
And despite what you might think, I'm not biased. You didn't see this thread from me when Kobe was on fire for the first quarter of the season. But for the last month or so, Harden has been playing much, much better than Kobe. He now has a higher PER, averages the same amount of points and assists, and isn't shooting 1-34 from downtown over his last 15 games.
He's also led a team with less talent to a better record thus far.
Best SG in the NBA, yet Kobe will deservedly make all-NBA first team again.
Kobe has played every role on a dysfunctional team that has been decimated by injuries. Call me when Harden leads a team to a playoff win and doesn't choke in the Finals.
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And despite what you might think, I'm not biased. You didn't see this thread from me when Kobe was on fire for the first quarter of the season. But for the last month or so, Harden has been playing much, much better than Kobe. He now has a higher PER, averages the same amount of points and assists, and isn't shooting 1-34 from downtown over his last 15 games.
He's also led a team with less talent to a better record thus far.
The Lakers aren't healthy (collectively), so even though (on paper) we have an awesome team I've resigned to the fact that we are going to struggle until we are 100% again. Although Harden is thriving as #1 with less talent, you need to compare games missed by key players of both squads to put it into proper context. We've missed Pau, JHill, and Blake for a ton of games. They are key rotational players.
"Kobe Johnson" is the reason why his scoring average dipped to 26.6 ppg. He's also taken it upon himself to get Howard going - which has sacrifed some of his scoring. The Lakers have benefitted for the most part even though they are feasting on non-contenders. In contrast, Harden doesn't have to worry about getting Asik going -or anyone else for that reason. He has a neon green light to let his jumpers fly - at will.
Kobe is still the best scorer in the game when he wants to be. As he has seen, our team is benefitting from him actively looking for his teammates.
We're talking about the season up until this point, you dumb . Playoff success, or lack there of, doesn't figure into the equation.Best SG in the NBA, yet Kobe will deservedly make all-NBA first team again.
Kobe has played every role on a dysfunctional team that has been decimated by injuries. Call me when Harden leads a team to a playoff win and doesn't choke in the Finals.
Great post, I couldn't have said it better myself.Of c
The Lakers aren't healthy (collectively), so even though (on paper) we have an awesome team I've resigned to the fact that we are going to struggle until we are 100% again. Although Harden is thriving as #1 with less talent, you need to compare games missed by key players of both squads to put it into proper context. We've missed Pau, JHill, and Blake for a ton of games. They are key rotational players.
"Kobe Johnson" is the reason why his scoring average dipped to 26.6 ppg. He's also taken it upon himself to get Howard going - which has sacrifed some of his scoring. The Lakers have benefitted for the most part even though they are feasting on non-contenders. In contrar, Harden doesn't have to worry about getting Asik going. He has a neon green light to let his jumpers fly - at will.
Kobe is still the best scorer in the game when he wants to be. As he has seen, our team is benefitting from him actively looking for his teammates.
Lol at using Jordan Hill's injury as an excuse when his injury wound being something of a blessing in disguise, since Clark is a much better fit for the Mike D'Antoni Lakers. And lol at using Steve Blake's injury as an excuse. The Lakers were just shopping his ass for a 2nd round pick, and when he went down, you all celebrated and proclaimed, "Addition by subtraction!" Gasol is really the only excuse you have in this regard, and he's become a pariah among Laker fans. End of the day, and despite the injuries the Lakers have suffered, Kobe has still played more games with a more talented supporting cast than Harden. Not Harden's fault the dip Lakers can't "figure it out."Of c
The Lakers aren't healthy (collectively), so even though (on paper) we have an awesome team I've resigned to the fact that we are going to struggle until we are 100% again. Although Harden is thriving as #1 with less talent, you need to compare games missed by key players of both squads to put it into proper context. We've missed Pau, JHill, and Blake for a ton of games. They are key rotational players.
"Kobe Johnson" is the reason why his scoring average dipped to 26.6 ppg. He's also taken it upon himself to get Howard going - which has sacrifed some of his scoring. The Lakers have benefitted for the most part even though they are feasting on non-contenders. In contrast, Harden doesn't have to worry about getting Asik going -or anyone else for that reason. He has a neon green light to let his jumpers fly - at will.
Kobe is still the best scorer in the game when he wants to be. As he has seen, our team is benefitting from him actively looking for his teammates.
And the emergence of "Kobe Johnson" just proves my point. Harden doesn't have the luxury of turning into a pass first player because the Rockets need every point they can get from him. Kobe can do it precisely because he has such a talented supporting cast.
Furthermore, Kobe Johnson isn't even all that effective, since he's just as likely to turn the ball over as he is to get a teammate involved. The reason for the Lakers' recent "success" has little to do with that and more to do with the fact they're playing awful teams.
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