Why does christianity dictate that repent and sins are gone?

[101A]

So, is The Bible the word of God or is it not?

The Bible is the the work of human beings. Human beings are fallible, greedy and have agendas. I read it ALWAYS with those FACTS firmly in mind.

Also, went to the first Bah Mitsvah I've ever attended this summer. Heard the first rabii sermon I've ever heard. I was, frankly, impressed. Obviously all from the Torah - but very academic discussion of the scripture he taught on. Also, said in no uncertain terms that if one was reading the bible, and not interpreting the bible, then one was not using the bible as its authors intended. His personal Torah was hundreds of years old, and I got a look at it - Rabii's from accross the centuries had written notes in the margins; it was remarkable.

[Woo Bum-kon]

The Bible is the the work of human beings. Human beings are fallible, greedy and have agendas. I read it ALWAYS with those FACTS firmly in mind.

Also, went to the first Bah Mitsvah I've ever attended this summer. Heard the first rabii sermon I've ever heard. I was, frankly, impressed. Obviously all from the Torah - but very academic discussion of the scripture he taught on. Also, said in no uncertain terms that if one was reading the bible, and not interpreting the bible, then one was not using the bible as its authors intended. His personal Torah was hundreds of years old, and I got a look at it - Rabii's from accross the centuries had written notes in the margins; it was remarkable.

Then how do you interpret the verses I posted? I see them as evidence that the Christian God is a piece of . What about you?

[101A]

Then how do you interpret the verses I posted? I see them as evidence that the Christian God is a piece of . What about you?

I interpret them as follows:

1: You can have slaves, as long as they're not Jews.

2: If you're son is acting up, get a bunch of dudes together and throw rocks at him until he is dead.

3: Kill gay people.

I don't do any of those things, btw. I don't think God would like it if I did.

[101A]

Oh, and the last one (I missed it before):

4. Do right by God, or get screwed.

[ploto]

I think that many people seem to confuse Christians with Fundamentalist Christians. Most Christians are not Fundamentalists. They realize that the Bible was written within certain contexts - historical, cultural, societal, literary - and that it is to be viewed in that way. They do not read each word as being something that literally happened (Adam and Eve) and they view the statements through the lens of the time in which they were written.

The writings of the Bible mean much more to you and become much richer if you know the norms of the culture and the practices of the society for which it was written. It does not mean that every statement applies across time. For example, there are statements about women covering their heads. Do some research and discover why it is that women were told at that time to cover their heads and you will see that it does mean that women have to cover their heads now. Similarly, look at some of the verses you like to pull and study the culture. For some of them you will find that what Jesus said was actually radical for that era.

It means much more if you can tell the difference between a historical book, a psalm, and the Book of Revelations (which is not to be taken literally). You know the difference now between biography, novel, poetry, and satire. You would not read satire as biography- would you? Well, the Bible works the same way. If you study who wrote it and when he wrote it and in what genre it was written, then you can understand it much better.

Also, any Bible scholar knows that multiple sources have been pulled together, even within certain books and even within certain stories. That is why you can look around and find things that do not line up. None of this, however, changes the fact that it is viewed by believers as inspired by God for the teaching of spiritual truths. Inspired by God does not equal written by God.

[101A]

I think that many people seem to confuse Christians with Fundamentalist Christians. Most Christians are not Fundamentalists. They realize that the Bible was written within certain contexts - historical, cultural, societal, literary - and that it is to be viewed in that way. They do not read each word as being something that literally happened (Adam and Eve) and they view the statements through the lens of the time in which they were written.

The writings of the Bible mean much more to you and become much richer if you know the norms of the culture and the practices of the society for which it was written. It does not mean that every statement applies across time. For example, there are statements about women covering their heads. Do some research and discover why it is that women were told at that time to cover their heads and you will see that it does mean that women have to cover their heads now. Similarly, look at some of the verses you like to pull and study the culture. For some of them you will find that what Jesus said was actually radical for that era.

It means much more if you can tell the difference between a historical book, a psalm, and the Book of Revelations (which is not to be taken literally). You know the difference now between biography, novel, poetry, and satire. You would not read satire as biography- would you? Well, the Bible works the same way. If you study who wrote it and when he wrote it and in what genre it was written, then you can understand it much better.

Also, any Bible scholar knows that multiple sources have been pulled together, even within certain books and even within certain stories. That is why you can look around and find things that do not line up. None of this, however, changes the fact that it is viewed by believers as inspired by God for the teaching of spiritual truths. Inspired by God does not equal written by God.

The goods.

BTW I am not, and do not pretend to be a Biblical Scholar; Raised Catholic; married a Baptist (she knows her bible!) - now we're non-denominated.

[Woo Bum-kon]

I interpret them as follows:

1: You can have slaves, as long as they're not Jews.

2: If you're son is acting up, get a bunch of dudes together and throw rocks at him until he is dead.

3: Kill gay people.

I don't do any of those things, btw. I don't think God would like it if I did.

Why? He wants those things done, right? So why would he not like it when people do what he wants them to do?

[Woo Bum-kon]

I think that many people seem to confuse Christians with Fundamentalist Christians. Most Christians are not Fundamentalists. They realize that the Bible was written within certain contexts - historical, cultural, societal, literary - and that it is to be viewed in that way. They do not read each word as being something that literally happened (Adam and Eve) and they view the statements through the lens of the time in which they were written.

The writings of the Bible mean much more to you and become much richer if you know the norms of the culture and the practices of the society for which it was written. It does not mean that every statement applies across time. For example, there are statements about women covering their heads. Do some research and discover why it is that women were told at that time to cover their heads and you will see that it does mean that women have to cover their heads now. Similarly, look at some of the verses you like to pull and study the culture. For some of them you will find that what Jesus said was actually radical for that era.

It means much more if you can tell the difference between a historical book, a psalm, and the Book of Revelations (which is not to be taken literally). You know the difference now between biography, novel, poetry, and satire. You would not read satire as biography- would you? Well, the Bible works the same way. If you study who wrote it and when he wrote it and in what genre it was written, then you can understand it much better.

Also, any Bible scholar knows that multiple sources have been pulled together, even within certain books and even within certain stories. That is why you can look around and find things that do not line up. None of this, however, changes the fact that it is viewed by believers as inspired by God for the teaching of spiritual truths. Inspired by God does not equal written by God.

Nah, I'm not going to spend time rationalizing this bull . You can do whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Blake]

I think you might need to ...um...get a life.

You could end up like your mentor with a gazillion posts and even less of a life- who am I kidding - this is your life.

Does only having 7000 posts mean you have a life?

Get to work on that masterpiece you are promising.

[Blake]

I interpret them as follows:

1: You can have slaves, as long as they're not Jews.

2: If you're son is acting up, get a bunch of dudes together and throw rocks at him until he is dead.

3: Kill gay people.

I don't do any of those things, btw. I don't think God would like it if I did.

Then God would be a hypocrite.

[Blake]

The Bible is the the work of human beings. Human beings are fallible, greedy and have agendas. I read it ALWAYS with those FACTS firmly in mind.

So what is the logic in believing any of it?

Especially the magic parts?

[Blake]

Inspired by God does not equal written by God.

Semantics.

God still inspired man to write laws concerning slavery and gays.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The writings of the Bible mean much more to you and become much richer if you know the norms of the culture and the practices of the society for which it was written. It does not mean that every statement applies across time. For example, there are statements about women covering their heads. Do some research and discover why it is that women were told at that time to cover their heads and you will see that it does mean that women have to cover their heads now. Similarly, look at some of the verses you like to pull and study the culture. For some of them you will find that what Jesus said was actually radical for that era.

So how do you choose which edicts or tenants to follow? Is it just choose your own adventure because they way I see this interpretation is that there is no authority from any doctrine except what you and your friends make and decide you are going to do.

I think it's obvious that the doctrine was just stuff another group of people made up as they were going along but how on Earth can you say they were divinely inspired when it was written 2000 years ago?

[spursncowboys]

Nah, I'm not going to spend time rationalizing this bull . You can do whatever helps you sleep at night.

So attacking christians helps you sleep at night?

[spursncowboys]

Yes, I did. Jesus said to follow the teachings of the Old Testament. The teachings of the Old Testament condone slavery. Therefore, Jesus condones slavery. Or are you saying that Jesus disagrees with the word of God?



http://www.biblegateway.com

Condoning slavery:


Stoning children:



Killing sexuals:



And Jesus saying that the Old Testament's teachings are still valid:



So, is The Bible the word of God or is it not?

In the scripture it doesn't seem like they are talking about children. I take it that to stone an adult.
The reason why Christians don't follow Leviticus and Deuteronomy is that all those rules were rules to live by to get to heaven. When Jesus died, he died for our sins. So we don't have to go through all that, and just have to ask for forgiveness. Now that is my view and my opinion and how I raise my family. I don't ever pretend to know much about religion or God, but I atleast read the Bible. I don't understand why you have such a negative view against something you can't even keep in context. Why you spend so much time argueing you aren't even willing to understand by reading. But whatever. I also don't understand why so many people are against Jesus' teachings as a philosopher. If anything read the Book of John and see what is so wrong about it. Not how religions have manipulated it but just the words. It's quite remarkable how revolutionary his views are.

[spursncowboys]

So how do you choose which edicts or tenants to follow? Is it just choose your own adventure because they way I see this interpretation is that there is no authority from any doctrine except what you and your friends make and decide you are going to do.

I think it's obvious that the doctrine was just stuff another group of people made up as they were going along but how on Earth can you say they were divinely inspired when it was written 2000 years ago?

None of the OT.

[Woo Bum-kon]

In the scripture it doesn't seem like they are talking about children. I take it that to stone an adult.
The reason why Christians don't follow Leviticus and Deuteronomy is that all those rules were rules to live by to get to heaven. When Jesus died, he died for our sins. So we don't have to go through all that, and just have to ask for forgiveness. Now that is my view and my opinion and how I raise my family. I don't ever pretend to know much about religion or God, but I atleast read the Bible. I don't understand why you have such a negative view against something you can't even keep in context. Why you spend so much time argueing you aren't even willing to understand by reading. But whatever. I also don't understand why so many people are against Jesus' teachings as a philosopher. If anything read the Book of John and see what is so wrong about it. Not how religions have manipulated it but just the words. It's quite remarkable how revolutionary his views are.

So, God was for slavery before, but he decided to be against it later? And for stoning children (I don't know how you got adults out of that passage), but later decided to be against it? You only read the parts of the Bible that you like, and rationalize all the parts the parts that you don't like. Why don't you just drop all of it?

So attacking christians helps you sleep at night?

Does worshipping a mass murderer help you?

[LnGrrrR]

Perhaps Silverblk has been brainwashed into thinking nearly everyone is brainwashed, meaning his belief might be invalid.

[Blake]

So attacking christians helps you sleep at night?

Defending society against christians does me.

[spursncowboys]

Does worshipping a mass murderer help you?

My actions affect no one but myself and family. Yours affects anyone your in contact with in a negative way( although I'm quite certain you aren't like this in person). Plus it shows your views are narrow minded and shallow. .

[spursncowboys]

Defending society against christians does me.

How are you defending society?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

None of the OT.

How convenient.

From reading the Bible I get that Jesus rejected the OT version of sacrifice to gain the favor of God. To the contrary he was very explicit about it. I never got the impression that at any point Jesus or Paul who wrote the preponderance on the doctrine just gave carte blanche to the rest of it. Quite the contrary.

Christianity as convenience never appealed to me.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My actions affect no one but myself and family. Yours affects anyone your in contact with in a negative way( although I'm quite certain you aren't like this in person). Plus it shows your views are narrow minded and shallow. .

Sure unless you 'minister' or otherwise proselytize. I think at that point it goes well beyond 'myself and my family' and I think it justified to speak against it.

If someone comes on here and starts talking about the flat earth nonsense then I am going to talk to them as well. Quite frankly if your beliefs cannot bear scrutiny then that speaks to the merit of said beliefs from where I sit.

[Woo Bum-kon]

My actions affect no one but myself and family. Yours affects anyone your in contact with in a negative way( although I'm quite certain you aren't like this in person). Plus it shows your views are narrow minded and shallow. .

Good job making up, idiot.

If being against child murder is narrow-minded and shallow, then I guess I am narrow-minded and shallow.

Have fun thinking you are better than I am because you worship a murderous tyrant, though.

[Blake]

How are you defending society?

One way is by voting against nuts like Rick Perry that push their barbaric christian values into the political arena.