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lebron either walks, or bosh is traded....bosh is the odd one out though
According to Ric Bucher:
One of the Miami Heat's Big Three almost assuredly will be traded - unless one opts out of his existing contract
early - thanks to the repeater tax in the NBA's new CBA. In short, the already increasingly punitive luxury tax is raised an additional dollar per every taxed dollar for teams that are tax payers three of four seasons. If the Heat keep LeBron, Bosh and Dwyane for the full terms of their contracts, they are guaranteed to pay the repeater tax several times over, which, conceivably, could nearly double the cost of their player payroll. There might be ways in which they could skeletonize their roster and avoid the tax, but would that be the kind of roster with which either the three stars or the Heat would want to compete? This, of course, applies to any team with three highly-paid stars and brings home why the Thunder, seeing a chance to get relief and talent for James Harden and not completely kill their le hopes, had to jump on it. Why am I bringing this up now? Because fear of going into the luxury tax, without having a guaranteed way to get below it again, is a big reason why there was so little action at the trade deadline. And, again, why anyone who suggested the new CBA would foster player movement and trades should've qualified that by defining them as the kind of trades we saw transpire over the last few days -- ancillary trades moving around ancillary players. Seeing how much interest in the NBA is driven by blockbuster deals, or even the hint of them, I wonder if the owners were too smart for their own good in crafting a deal that, it would appear, was meant to protect themselves from themselves.
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I wonder if they'll find a way to retain all 3. Bosh and Wade would both likely have to take a huge pay cut in order for it to work, which I doubt they want to do, but maybe they make it happen. Obviously they wouldn't trade Lebron, so if it came down to having to trade Wade and bosh, who do you think they'd trade? I'd say Wade, just cause of age.
lebron either walks, or bosh is traded....bosh is the odd one out though
i must say, i'm a big fan of the new CBA. if we can't have a hard cap, at least tax teams like the Lakers into the ing ground.
even if you dilute the super teams of talent players, the ter teams still struggle to compete even if you spread the talent around the league
I think it's horrible for the league, and really negates having a great front office. Presti builds an awesome team with Durant, Harden, Westbrook, and Ibaka, all his own picks, and he's forced to blow it up. Under this CBA the Spurs would have had to let Parker walk in 2005 or 2006 guaranteed; so much for having a great eye for talent in the draft. It levels the playing field to the point that idiot GMs can compete with good ones (see Houston for example).
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The NFL has a hard cap, but teams that draft well find ways to replace their out-going stars with young players. The Spurs would have done the same (provided they let Parker go, which I don't think would have happened). More than stars, the higher tax prevents teams from keeping mid-level players. Green and Diaw wouldn't have been re-signed this season had Duncan not taken a huge pay cut.
forcing 2nd and 3rd bananas to be franchise players on teams with no real franchise player.....
thats just wrong making a very compe ive team dumb down to next tier of teams...
If they don't let Parker go then they have to salary dump Ginobili in that case. There's no way to have 3 stars long-term under this system unless you want total crap filling out the rest of the roster, so RC's genius in picking Parker or flat-out luck with Ginobili is lost. Decent chance this system costs the Spurs Splitter this summer.
I don't know much about the new CBA rule, but an agreement between Wade and Bosh to lessen both their salary so that it wouldn't be that big of a change in salary is the likely scenario IMO. If they win another ring, they would do just that.
I think they would have been fine. At the time, neither Ginobili nor Parker were making that much money. The largest combined salary the Big Three had was last season, when they totaled about $46 Million. That left $24 Million or so in under the tax. They were never in Miami's situation where they face having to pay $60 Million in a couple of years if no one opts out.
They'd have to opt out and sign that a new deal with less money. That's possible, and Lebron himself has hinted at doing that, but it leaves Miami open to the risk that another team would swoop in and offer a true max deal and take one of them away.
I guess it all depends if they win this year. If they don't, one of bosh or wade would leave...
The Thunder's problem is that they have two players signed to Duncan-like deals while having two others signed to Parker and Ginobili deals. It just doesn't make sense to pay two non-stars and average of $10.5 Million each over the next two years
whatever rule breaks up the supergayteam I'm for
Bosh's game will age better than Wade though. But Wade is LeBron's pal.
they overpaid their bigs in a wingman perimeter orientated league, if those bigs were franchise type players then u overpay for them...
the problem was westbrick and harden wanted max deals and neither was not leaving any room to negotiate to keep the team roster in tact
to beat the heat these days.....allow lil wayne and the rappers into the building
Pretty much exactly right. They overpaid their role players for sure. But they really messed up when they gave Westbrook a max contract. Then they had no leverage to get Harden to take less. What they should have done was decide how much they wanted/were going to be able to pay for all three of them and talked them into dividing it in the way that made the most sense. So if they were willing to pay something like $48 Million for all three, then they needed to do something like give Durant 18 and Westbrook and Harden 15.
Really, though, they should have given Durant 18, Harden 15 and Ibaka 9 and let Westbrook go.
tax ain't gonna make them hurt when they have a stack of blank cheques to spend imho
How many of these stupid articles will be posted here? Miami is not OKC and obviously OKC ed up.
Spot on. Westbrook reminds me of someone like Rudy Gay or Josh Smith; the "wow athleticism" and "yay points" factors combine to lead to massive overpaying.
Would Harden and Ibaka have taken that much less money, though? More realistic is Harden 16 and Abaka 11.
Also, looking at OC's salaries for next year, they're within $3M of the tax without Kevin Martin. They're going to be desperate to dump Perkins and his awful contract. I just hope some dumbass team like Sacramento doesn't bail them out and absorb his salary without extracting significant other assets.
lol yeah it's easy to have a great eye for talent when you have top 5 picks year after year.
I have a real problem with a system that allows absentee, -ass owners to profit from the hard work and investment in time, resources, and creativity that involved, smart, and full time owners put in. I guarantee you that the Maloofs are trying everything possible to screw up the deal to sell the Kings until they can reap as much of the profits as they can from the new revenue sharing. The problem is for every small market screw-up there are teams like the Spurs and Jazz that manage to field compe ive teams most years. And for every big market team like the Lakers there are teams like the Knicks and Sixers. So while I get why they shifted to a tougher tax and revenue sharing arrangement, I just hope the league didn't over-correct.
That being said, holding up OKC as a "victim" of this cap is a somewhat flawed argument. It's true that Prsti found their former big four, but Presti's mistake was to pay Westbrook so much money. He should be making Tony Parker money at most; and given the fact that he's never won anything, is questionable if he makes his teammates better, and has shown a repeated habit of taking his team out of games by letting his tantrums on court get the best of him, in all honesty he should be making less than Parker. The Spurs management team is disciplined enough to recognize this. OKC, for all of Presti's brilliance, blew it. Wesbrook's contract empowers him to challenge Durant on the court. As long as there are two alpha dogs in OKC, that team is hosed. And in the meantime, Westbrook's inflated contract handcuffs the team and forces them into decisions like trading Harden, the one player who could bail OKC out whenever Westbrook had a meltdown.
If I'm OKC and Westbrook flames out in the playoffs again because he can't keep his head on straight I would very quietly be exploring trade options for him this summer...
I don't really have too much sympathy for OKC. Presti was careless when he gave someone as limited as Perkins $8,000,000 a year and gave Westbrook an extension for more than what comparable players like Rondo and Parker got. Even with those mistakes he could have kept Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden by amnestying Perkins or by working out the small difference in what they offered Harden vs. what he wanted. OKC forced its own hand into trading Harden much more than the CBA did.
The Spurs would have found a way to keep their big 3 together under this CBA as they would have been even more frugal with the role players they signed while Manu and Parker have always taken deals below their market value. This CBA basically puts a premium on being able to find cheap role players via late 1st round picks and free agency, which is something Buford has always been extremely good at.
If Miami has to break up its big 3 that's also largely their own fault. Mike Miller, Udonis Haslem, and Joel Anthony are all getting paid way too much while Miami's method of saving money is trading away late 1st round picks.
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