Reply With Quoteanecdotes are more important!
Re ed people make re ed comments.
what a re ed viewpoint. Jews helped create the NAACP, Urban League. They were a huge percentage of the civil rights movement, compared with their overall percentage of the population.
How pompous to view everything in history in the socially correct viewpoint of today's society.
anecdotes are more important!
All of it is made up bull , which is why you don't want people to do actual research, because they will find out that you're full of .
Aware of what?
I answered you and told you to research it all and don't ever stop researching until you know deep inside if the things presented are true or not.
Suit yourself.
I set out to prove the original premise and show you how a brainwashing happens - if you'd rather talk - no problem - it will save me some time.
You never proved your premise, and you never will.
Did I not call this?
Exactly as I said. I will spend time (only on Part 1) and the response will be....
Enjoy your life of sleepwalking.
I'm not obligated to agree with you just because you posted something. Sorry, but your claims don't stand up to their own merits. You're too much in denial to see it though.Did I not call this?
Exactly as I said. I will spend time (only on Part 1) and the response will be....
Enjoy your life of sleepwalking.
No worries. It was fun. Carry on.
How is that an accusation? You said labels take away from your ability to see reality, yet you are labeling the very people you disagree with. Shouldn't you be open minded to listen to their beliefs, in case you might be wrong? Doesn't it go against your beliefs to conclude you know more than all of us? In fact, would not someone who is disappointed with posters for not listening take extra care to reflect on why everyone disagrees with you? It's easy to conclude its because we are more brainwashed, but I thought you were against jumping to conclusions so quickly?
I guess sbm is the only one who doesn't see the irony in requesting that we be opened minded while at the same time automatically dismissing everybody who disagrees with him as brainwashed.
You are correct - if you had listened to Freddie's story - and still didn't think we all had a lot of brainwashing to get rid of - then yes you would be correct. The fact that you read about 3% out of 100% of how a brainwashing happens and already are convinced of your rightness or of your superior position says a lot. I don't doubt that you have things you are correct about - no one knows everything.
I tried to show you a different world -another world -but you aren't ready to see it and prefer to remain in a nightmare - because after all - it is the only world you know. We were all taught this way - this was the only model available to us - and we swallowed it and didn't even realize we were out of touch with reality - because to us - this isn't brainwashing - this is reality and anyone who dares to call us brainwashed is nothing but a ing idiot/hypocrite/cultish blah-blah....I know I know...
I was in your shoes once I understand. I didn't want to open my eyes and wake up either- it sucks waking up...you are cozy, comfy and -it - why wake up and go to work? I'd rather continue this comfortable existence I live in because it it easy - ...
What did John Lennon say, "living is easy with eyes closed....misunderstanding all you see"
I was there once and completely understand - I even called it - I told you exactly what the reaction would be. I know how it looks like from your side because I am/was one of you.
Regarding the labels - don't misinterpret it completely.
Here is the deal with labels;
We are human. We have been conditioned. Labels make it easier to put things in little categories,little boxes - so that we can live easier. They also become crutches that we use to put our mind to sleep. For every label you use though - it filters reality a little bit - so instead of an intelligent person that I am responding to --now--I will just stop seeing him and just label him a in idiot. This makes it easier to just put my brain on cruise and not do the work of seeing him or responding to him correctly.
To see someone - to respond to them accurately you would have to have a clear perception of this person --AS HE/SHE IS RIGHT NOW--THIS MOMENT- not by calling up your reference/labels/category/memory - of him that you have stored...but we all do this.
All of us. I am human -I fall right back into my brainwashing throughout my life very often...it is not like some people think...
Some people think that one day...someone wakes up ...and presto...YOU ARE ENLIGHTENED!
This isn't reality.
What has happened to some people is they work on the re-programming and briefly touch and taste freedom, they briefly open their eyes and see for the first time how they were programmed.They realize how this programming/brainwashing has affected their life. They see how this programming has caused them to suffer and has prevented them from ever feeling true happiness. They work on themselves and make discoveries....they wake up for a few brief moments...
Then programming/brainwashing/conditioning kicks in again and they re-lapse into the human condition...very, very few remain uncontaminated completely.
Freddie's story was just going to show you all the stages and all the different ways that we get brainwashed....by well-meaning parents, teachers, culture,society,friends,education, religions, even good ol' national pride.
But no one can do it for you...you have to walk the plank out to the edge by yourself...some "idiot" like me can only point you there and show you how it happens, show you where it comes from, point you towards a place where you might recognize if this might be part of what is in you...if maybe you have seen that there could be truth that you haven't been able to see and then to get to work on what is preventing you from seeing.
Should you ever taste - even for a brief -brief moment - the taste of true freedom,a true "awakening" - even briefly - it will be the best drug you ever had - the best state you will ever visit -
BUT
It will be impossible to explain..for as soon as you try...it is gone...it cannot be put into words...as soon as you come to the realization - it becomes something else...now you are just back to concepts, formulas, textbook explanations..
You will just smile and stop trying to explain because you know there is no way possible that you can translate this experience so that someone can fully understand EXACTLY what state you were in.
IMO - this might be said of certain other things that we have labeled - and which people fight/argue/kill over. The problem is that people tried to give "their interpretation" of this experience and others didn't quite "interpret correctly" this "thing"
quite the contrary.
U stupid.
Sometimes. What else would you expect from a brainwashed person?
Sorry. I guess for someone like you, I have to clarify better.
what a re ed viewpoint. Jews helped create the NAACP, Urban League. They were a huge percentage of the civil rights movement, compared with their overall percentage of the population.
How pompous to view everything in history in the socially correct viewpoint of today's society.
”The God the Jews worship condones slavery.”
is that better?
so you are brainwashed into thinking that there is some kind of unattainable truth out there, unless you are the special one in a billion that gets it.
whatever you say, Morpheus
Almost.
It is kind of a paradox actually...
Truth -(god/freedom/buddha/whatever) if it is ever attained - cannot be adequately described - and once you realize where you are and what you found - it vanishes into ..... ?
Which is why mystics go silent for years and years...what could they possibly say - after having SEEN? They would end up looking like me....another idiot!
And you are certain mystics know ”truth” because.....
There is not an adequate way for me to put that into words and I am sure you would be creative enough to twist it into something that you can always throw in my face. Just being candid.
It is something that only you can discover for yourself should you care to take the journey - then if I asked you - what it was like you would understand exactly why you could not put it into words - for me.
I believe you think you are right. I believe you are fooling yourself.
Mystics that sit around speechless for years do nothing to help mankind.
That's the real truth.
This is a very interesting observation and by far one of the most revealing for you especially.
What would these silent mystics do? Would they try to open others' eyes? Would they write? Would they chant? Would they set themselves on fire? Would they spread the word and be crucified? Would they be assassinated?
Would others call them crazy, re ed idiotic?
I don't know these answers and I don't think we could accurately guess the answers because we haven't cleared all the obstructions to seeing yet.
In the meantime - if we tried to take some action - "to help mankind" where would we be coming from? From anger at the unfairness and evil on the planet? Then we would be angry and vengeful blind "wanna-be mystics"
Would we be coming from "love" ...what would that be like and what action would we take?
Lots of questions...interesting observation.
Maybe they are helping mankind and we refuse to see it? Maybe not - maybe you are right and I am fooling myself and maybe it is a waste of time?
Who's to know?
Mysteries...
yes to spreading the word, no to being crucified.
...but
for no particular reason - and since I happened to have Part 2 mostly finished...I will leave you with this;
The Curious Brainwashing Case of Freddie leroy
PART II
Part II
Did you ever stop to think that we have been programmed to be unhappy? To remain unhappy? Think about it. The way Freddie’s parents and most parents did this was this way;
They gave the little leroy a list. A list of things and taught him that he could never be happy unless he obtained, accomplished, succeeded in crossing off every item on this list. What was on the list? Well, in Freddie’s case it was - money, success, power, education, God, a beautiful wife, a distinguished career - because Freddie’s parents had decided that Freddie would be a doctor. Dr. Freddie leroy. If Freddie did not cross off every item on this list - he was programmed to believe that he would never find happiness. Freddie swallowed this premise whole. He never questioned if this was true-he just set about on the task of achieving the completion of his list. Freddie had no more time to live, laugh, play, and enjoy life. He had to achieve in order to find happiness.
What is on your list?
Freddie was taught that until he obtained every item on this list - it would be impossible to be happy. It was kind of peculiar because Freddie, at five years old, was pretty happy without these things so far. Freddie was blissful without any of these things in fact Freddie was completely blissful for five years before he was even introduced to the concept of “God.” How could he have been happy without god? He was. Weren’t you?
Freddie’s parents next move was to infect Freddie with addictive drugs. What drugs would well-meaning loving parents introduce to their own children?
They were the drug called approval, applause, acceptance, ambition and a few others. They programmed Freddie to believe that it was very important to be popular, that he needed to have friends, he needed to be applauded - he best not fail at something or he would be rejected by his friends, his parents - even the good ol’ Priest at the church would be disappointed if Freddie didn’t swallow every bit of teaching and programming that was fed to the little leroy.
Freddie began to strive and struggle to do his part. He began to get the best grades and he began to assert and proclaim that he was going to study and go to a great university one day - he proclaimed that he would one day become a doctor!
How does someone place a label or a le on himself and become something else? Freddie had learned very early that he could identify with a label so strongly that this label would replace whom he already was.
Freddie’s parents applauded his proclamations and egged him on. When Freddie failed to do something he had been programmed to do - Freddie’s parents ignored him and remained angry until Freddie fell back into his programming. Freddie’s parents and a lot of society labeled this act - Love. Very strange concept to Freddie. He realized then that if you gave a person love and affection when they did what you wanted - they would be devastated when you ignored them. If you used the word - love - with them they would obey almost all of your demands. A very helpful lesson learned early on.
Now, by definition, an addiction is to be unable to live without something - to be dependent on something so badly that if you are deprived of it - you suffer and sometimes lose the will to live. Some people would rather die than be without their drug. All of the things that Freddie had been programmed to need qualified as addictions - but Freddie had yet to suffer because of his addictions. What Freddie’s society called Love - which is finding someone that you cannot live without as illustrated on every love song on the radio - was actually an addiction to another person.
In his 19th year - Freddie fell madly in love. She was a southern girl named Virgina Cox-Ucker. Freddie was about to find out what happens when you become so addicted that you cannot possibly function happily unless you obtain this drug and fight might and main during all your waking hours to hang on to it lest someone take it away or it leaves you for someone else. Freddie became addicted to Virgina.
To be continued...
People don't want to hear truth...I am reminded of a guy named Jesus who was crucified for "spouting" truth. When people hear truth it affects them in a big way - some react violently...
He knew he would be crucified and did it any way.
Why are mystics so selfish?
And people are desperate for truth and know it when they see it.
What you are spouting here is bull . People see right thru you.
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