Spurs: Boris Diaw vs. David Lee

[irishock]

This dip

no need to get this emotional over a take

[Bill_Brasky]

no need to get this emotional over a take

Are you really that stupid?

[Juggity]

Diaw is probably a better defender than David Lee. I'd still rather have Lee on the Spurs in a backup role than Diaw.

[irishock]

Are you really that stupid?

Oh

[FkLA]

I like this thing FkLA does where when multiple people call him re ed he lashes out with, "You're just blindly kissing DoK's ass!" as if the ONLY way multiple people could disagree with him is a DoK conspiracy against FkLA because he's so convinced his opinions are that brilliant and no way multiple people could disagree with them unless it was a conspiracy.

Did a bunch of people not come to your defense that Lees defense wasnt that bad only for it to turn out that hes the worst interior defender in the league?

It doesn't make any in sense to call Lee a stat padder in response to a game his team won in overtime. The usage of the stat padder argument after that game was mind blowing.

Who said it was in response to this last game? That graphic is for the whole season. And iif a guy is the worst interior defender in the NBA yet has nice stats then he kind of is a stat tbh.

[FkLA]

This quote pretty much debunks any claim FkLA tries to make that all he was saying is that Diaw when in shape and playing motivated is better than Lee.

An overweight Diaw can still be effective, yes. But why are you trying to make it about an argument that Ive already conceded?

How about you instead explain to us how it was 'gnsf fallacy' to consider Diaw a better defender than Lee? How it was so hilarious and homerish to say Lee was a terrible defender ?

[Raven]

Lee is the only big man i can remember that doesn't try to make the shooter's work harder, instead positions himself to take the reb if he misses.. lol.

[AaronY]

David Lee is horrible. He's better than Diaw but thats no accomplishment. His teams haven't been better with him on the court versus off it for years now

People...don't know this about David Lee because he's a nice guy says all the right things, is a good interview etc. but he has absolutely no interest in defense and is regularly one of the worst defenders in the NBA. Look at his opponent counterpart numbers from the past two years:
http://www.82games.com/1011/10GSW14.HTM
http://www.82games.com/1112/11GSW12.HTM

Guys literally average 20/15 per 48, while shooting well over 50%, with around a 20 per against him. Like this isn't his numbers against good players this is his numbers against opponents overall.

In other words the average player becomes an all star at the mere sight of David Lee.

Lol @ this thread gmafb

This even understates his horried defense as I remember reading an article where they talked about his synergy numbers and his hel;p defense was even worse. Basically if not involved in the play he's content to just chill on the weak defense and let the other guys deal with it he can
t be bothered to rotate and take a charge and despite being a good leaper he is one of the worst shot blocking big men in the league. About the on;y gppd thing he does at that end of the court is defensive rebound

New research presented at the Sloan Conference breaking down David Lee aka The NBA's Worst Defender: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...he-golden-gate

http://nba.si.com/2013/03/04/the-fun...ts-to-process/

[AaronY]

pdf: http://www.sloansportsconference.com...0the%20NBA.pdf

[AaronY]

Lee is the only big man i can remember that doesn't try to make the shooter's work harder, instead positions himself to take the reb if he misses.. lol.

lol see above.

Diaw's tiness is irrelevant to all this analysis of Lee btw

[Raven]

lol see above.

Diaw's tiness is irrelevant to all this analysis of Lee btw

update: amir johnson scores 10-10 for 23 points and bargnani goes off for 26 against who?

[Reck]

Oh

Billy was trolling tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Thats been my point the whole time, which is why you take his 20-10 with a grain of salt cause he wouldnt put those kind of stats on good teams..

You're right, he dropped from 20 11 to 18 11 now that he's on a good team. I'm sure that's what you meant here^, Juan.

I love how mavs>spurs ignores the fact that I conceded long ago that Lee is way better at staying motivated and stat-padding on teams. Lee put up 20-10 on a fast paced GS team with a bunch of injuries where he was likely the 2nd option; something he wouldnt be on a good team. Especially not if he was thrown into the Spurs mid-season.

He's the 2nd option on a team that's 44-33 and headed to the playoffs. I'm sure when you said good team, you meant 50+ wins tho, right Juan?

Lees numbers/usage will dip (especially in the post) just with Boguts return.

His numbers really took a dive this year, Juan. Good call.

Will bump this sometime next season when Diaw comes into camp with 10% BF and puts up 10, 7, and 3+ tbh

Diaw's averages this season: 5.8, 3.4, 2.4 . You almost had the 3+ assists part right tho!

Lee has never been on a good team, youre using a hypothetical yourself. And thats really the only way to compare players that are in two completely different situations...I dont see why me using reasonable hypotheticals is a big deal.

Lee's putting up 19 and 11 on a good team. How did my hypothetical work out, Juan?

Lets just bump this mid-season though. Boris will prove me right yet again tbh.

how's that working out, Juan?

Actually Spurs' midseason aquisitions getting limited minutes in the past suggests that his minutes would get slashed. Your assumption that Diaw only played 20 mpg because hes a 'fat slob' incapable of playing more is what has no basis considering he was playing ~35 mpg, 80+ games/yr in Charlotte.

Diaw this year: 22.8 minutes per game. Pop clearly just kept his minutes down cause he was new to the team!

And yeah, I know Lee averages like 20 ppg but so did Richard Jefferson at some point. If someday Lee is able to make it to at least a semi-decent team and performs this way I might change my mind but 'till then I can't.

Have you changed you mind yet, you filthy nazi loving sp!c?

Is DUNCANownsKOBE really acting like if saying that Diaw is better than Lee some amazing dumb homerish thing to do?

yes, I am.




FkLA
DAF86
latin american sp!c dumb s

[FkLA]

^Whats your take on this my Jewish amigo? Yes, I know it doesnt make Diaw better than him as Ive conceded long ago but other than that what do you think about it. I seem to recall you ignoring it like the plague when it first came to light.

Dont blame you for continuing to bump this even if Ive conceded though, since its extremely rare to get a W over FkLA tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^Whats your take on this my Jewish amigo? Yes, I know it doesnt make Diaw better than him as Ive conceded long ago but other than that what do you think about it. I seem to recall you ignoring it like the plague when it first came to light.

Dont blame you for continuing to bump this even if Ive conceded though, since its extremely rare to get a W over FkLA tbh.

My take is that chart regarding Diaw is left off for some mysterious reason.

My take is also that it's hilarious you're ignoring all the re ed I just quoted you filthy be@ner. Enjoy life as a telemarketer

[Nathan89]

This has to count for something imho

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Defensive Rating this year:
Diaw: 104
Lee: 104

When Lee leaves the court, his team's defensive rating improves by 1.1 points per 100 possessions
When Diaw leaves the court, his team's defensive rating improves by 4.2 points per 100 possessions

David Lee: 3.5 defensive win shares
Boris Diaw: 2.3 defensive win shares

[FkLA]

Are you suggesting Diaw isnt a better defender than Lee again?

And why would I respond dumb , so that I can say I was wrong for literally like the 50th time? Is your ass really that sore ?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Are you suggesting Diaw isnt a better defender than Lee again?

See above Juan

[FkLA]

See above Juan

So you are suggesting that, Aharon (<--thats funny bc youre a Jew lmao crofl)?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So you are suggesting that, Ahron (<--thats funny bc youre a Jew lmao crofl)?

yes I am, Juan.

What the is Ahron, is that the name of a Jewish guy who pays your dad for landscaping services?

[Blake]

since its extremely rare to get a W over FkLA tbh.

If by extremely rare you mean extremely easy then I'd agree.

[FkLA]

You think Boris Diaw allows opponents to shoot 60% from just about every spot in the post?

Yeah thats exactly where its from, Aharon!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You think Boris Diaw allows opponents to shoot 60% from just about every spot in the post?

The numbers say lee doesn't either, Juan.

Cool chart though, it looks really cool. The coloring scheme is awesome.

[FkLA]

If by extremely rare you mean extremely easy then I'd agree.

You mustve been one hundred times as butthurt with your wife after she cucked you, huh? Bet you tried to take shots at her every chance tbh.