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Another idiotic link that does not compare it to cost of living by state.
How do teacher salaries compare to other states?
How does the total running costs compare to other states?
Attention Governor Good hair...disgraceful
Texas drops close to bottom among states in student spending
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http://www.dallasnews.com/news/polit...t-spending.ece
Demand more...work with less...down the torpedoes...
AUSTIN — Texas has dropped to 49th in spending per pupil and is now more than $3,000 below the U.S. average — or about $66,000 less per elementary classroom — according to new comparisons by the National Education Association.
Texas schools are spending $8,400 per student in the current school year, well under the national average of $11,455. Only Arizona and Nevada spend less among the 50 states and the District of Columbia.
Preliminary figures that the labor group released Friday show per pupil spending in the state has now decreased $1,046 from the 2010-11 school year, when Texas ranked 41st with an average of $9,446.
The precipitous drop in the rankings follows the Legislature’s decision in 2011 to cut funding for public schools by $5.3 billion in the current two-year budget to offset a revenue shortfall without raising taxes.
Stupid people in Austin continue to dominate the Lege. Why?
Another idiotic link that does not compare it to cost of living by state.
How do teacher salaries compare to other states?
How does the total running costs compare to other states?
there're probably more immigrants (both legal and illegal) in texas than any other state in the US, the state government grants free education to all their children and give them the equal chances as american students to get educated in colleges, but the overall quality of education is lowered as a result.
49th is 49th. You can't spin that. Coupled with the bloodbath education has taken under Perry, I'm shocked we're not dead last.
Texas and Arizona 2 of the worst 3 states
My favorite part of this story is that good hair starves schools...and then blames the feds for the poor performance of public schools.... of course his base buys that logic..
TX sucks for the 99% because TX 99% bubbas vote against themselves as "Christian", or "hate LGBT", or racist, but US education overall sucks vs other industrial counties
Commission's Report Outlines Education Priorities
When you have school districts that are inequitably funded, then the salary systems are also disparate, which is not the case in these high-achieving countries. They fund all of the schools equitably. They pay teachers compe ive wages comparable to professionals like engineers. They pay them equitably across schools also.
In this country a teacher who goes to teach in Oakland will earn $10,000 a year less than a teacher who goes to teach in Palo Alto right here around Stanford, and will teach a larger class size with many more needy students. Will often have to pay for supplies and materials out of her own paycheck. So we're not creating the context in which we can provide high quality teaching and teachers in all communities to all children.
the comparison of Oakland and Palo Alto schools, the people in Palo Alto where I live are very proud of their schools, because they're doing quite well.
Except that if you put the students in Palo Alto on an international scale, the average Palo Alto student is at the 67th percentile in the international distribution.
The top school in California, or one of the top school districts in California, is only two-thirds up the scale compared to what's being seen in international comparisons of our compe ors.
There are 27 that are doing better than us in mathematics. They start out with the East Asian - Singapore, Korea. They get to Finland, Germany. They get to Canada. You can name all of the developed countries and we're below average among the developed countries of the world.
http://www.npr.org/2013/02/22/172674...ion-priorities
The bubba racists will say: "remove the blacks and browns, and the white kids do as well as in other industrial countries". TX bubbas live by their myths, and vote that way, so they get their schools raped in funding. At least they have their HS football for filling the pot bellies with beer.
The Repugs' "hate/destroy govt" and "hate science, the Bible and other (Repug) myths provide the Promised Land fantansy" has serious NEGATIVE consequences.
btw, RickyBobby's red ing REPUG TX remains the only large population red state that has refused federal funds for expansion of Medicaid. Even Obamacare-hater FL criminal Scott caved in this week
RickyBobby and other Repug TX assholes insist on no-strings-attached federal block grant so they can spend that money anywhere but on Medicaid for TX blacks and browns. There's plenty of rural WHITE bubbas who depend on Medicaid.
It's an invalid picture. Wages and cost of living are cheaper in Texas than most states. That's why it's not accurate to show unadjusted dollar amounts. Now if it still comes out 49th when based on proper comparisons, then fine. I just don't accept the intellectual dishonesty.
Your an idiot.
There are states with cheaper costs of living than TX, and even they spend more on education...
There aren't many.
My state pays way too much on education. I don't know what the current numbers are, but the "all funds budget" was in excess of $12k per student a few years ago.
I would be curious to know if they are looking at the total of all funding, or just one or two. They always play games with these numbers.
What matters, it how much actually makes it to the classroom, and only to a point. At some point, spending more is just like throwing it in the fireplace.
Teacher wages are 85% the national average, and the numbers they cite say the per student spending is 73% the national average. Maybe they have less overhead in other areas like heating or cooling. Bus driver wages, maintenance staff, etc. Some places have union wage janitors, others pay barely above minimum if they do. Some places have contract bus drivers, others pay union wages and benefits. Plus, a state like mine has a much higher minimum wage, which means everyone in hourly jobs thing they deserve more.
In my view, the article gives an opinion, by using little fact. Probably cherry picked facts.
Sure...do more with less..even when you compare what TX was spending just two years ago
The effects are economic..This is more proof of the assault that Governor [Rick] Perry and the legislative majority made on public schools and public school students two years ago,” said Clay Robison of the Texas State Teachers Association, which is affiliated with the National Education Association. “Funding has dropped more than $1,000 per child over the past two years, and there is no doubt that is causing a lot of damage to learning opportunities in Texas.”
You get what you pay for..On the SAT last year, Texas high school students matched their lowest scores on the college entrance exam in more than a decade as average scores dropped in math, reading and writing.
As far as the credibility of the data....well...A Texas Education Agency analysis last year found that schools with the highest performance ratings were generally those that spent more on their students.
TEA officials told the House Public Education Committee that school districts graded “exemplary” — the highest performance rating — had more than $1,000 more to spend per pupil than districts rated “unsatisfactory” — the lowest performance rating. That amounts to an extra $22,000 per elementary classroom.
The statistics — based on data furnished by state education agencies — are among the most reliable in the nation and are frequently cited by officials in Texas and other states. The NEA has been issuing its annual reports on public schools, called “Rankings and Estimates,” since the early 1960s.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/polit...t-spending.ece''
...reading is fundamental..
Guesses and wishful thinking. Incredulity is not an argument.
Intellectual dishonesty is making assertions like what you are doing here and dismissing without justifying based on said assertions. What if the floods were caused by a solar burp?
Using gross as opposed to your arbitrary normalization is not cherry picking btw. Why do you insist on using terms that you do not understand?
The more I research Texas politics, the more it scares me. I can see why some people actually believe secession is possible. And the voting bloc is nauseously low. I will be voting in my local and state elections from now on.
Won't make any difference (if you vote non-Repug). Repugs have used the opportunity of the 2010 census to gerrymander Repugs into permanent dominance, in TX and other red states. Now states like PA are using 2010 gerrymandering to change the allocation of electoral votes from winner takes all to proportion of districts won or some such formula that gives the Repug candidate in presidentially blue states the most electoral votes. So even if more people vote Dem, the Repug candidate gets more electoral votes (like in the 2000 election).
Nothing is permanent, and to Gerrymander, you have to dilute your base to cover more districts. When the vote swings in 4-8 years, their majority will collapse like a house of cards.
Let's see your 'adjusted dollar amounts' data, profe
I haven't looked. It most certainly not be #49. Still be lower than average, but not at the bottom.
Do you disagree with that assessment?
If so, care to run the numbers yourself?
asshole TX Repugs insist on imposing their hate-filled "Christian" morality on "our tax dolars" public schools
Texas Republicans Threaten Funding For Schools With Pro-LGBT Policies
SPRINGER: Our tax-dollars are for educating kids, not for enacting policies that attempt to get the state to recognize sexual relationships. To think Pflugerville has sued the state for more funding, while at the same time bankrolling a lifestyle most Texans do not agree with is quite disturbing to me.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/0...lgbt-policies/
In Pa now; was in Texas. Schools spend much more here; suck just as bad.
Money =/= good education.
Teachers in this town (K-12) START at ~$60K. Bulletproof union protection. Life appointment. Dumb education majors for the most part...Two married teachers, each with 20 years in; over $200K salary; with guaranteed pension. Don't even need to save any of it. Work only 8 months a year. Damn cushy.
ok, I suggest that teacher training and qualification are too low, no matter what the salary. Raise all the training and certfication and ongoing education so the PROFESSIONAL level salaries are justified and teaching is effective. It works in other countries (oops, did I just imply the USA sucks in k-12 education? sorry)
Yeah, I do disagree with that assessment, and just for the of it I ran the numbers myself because you love making arguments that are flat out wrong knowing the numbers to prove it wrong require some research no one is gonna do.
Here is a cost of living index for the 4th quarter of 2012:
http://www.missourieconomy.org/indic...ving/index.stm
The study referred to in the OP can be found in detail on page 114 of this attachment under "per student in ADA":
http://www.nea.org/assets/img/conten...s-2013_(2).pdf
With that information I divided each expenditure per student figure by cost of living index in order to adjust (even though for a number of reasons that's over adjusting but I don't feel like explaining why). Here are the results:
Texas is 46th rather than 49th, so adjustment for cost of living improved Texas by 3 whole spots. I'm sure that's what you meant when you said, "It most certainly not be #49. Still be lower than average, but not at the bottom," or at least I know that's what you're going to say you meant.
It should also be noted that Florida, California and Nevada were all hit particularly hard by the recession and are in worse-than-average economic shape in general. Arizona and Texas OTOH are states with governors and legislators who view cutting education as one of the first things a state should do when it needs to balance the budget.
robinlopez.gifYeah, I do disagree with that assessment, and just for the of it I ran the numbers myself because you love making arguments that are flat out wrong knowing the numbers to prove it wrong require some research no one is gonna do.
Here is a cost of living index for the 4th quarter of 2012:
http://www.missourieconomy.org/indic...ving/index.stm
The study referred to in the OP can be found in detail on page 114 of this attachment under "per student in ADA":
http://www.nea.org/assets/img/conten...s-2013_(2).pdf
With that information I divided each expenditure per student figure by cost of living index in order to adjust (even though for a number of reasons that's over adjusting but I don't feel like explaining why). Here are the results:
Texas is 46th rather than 49th, so adjustment for cost of living improved Texas by 3 whole spots. I'm sure that's what you meant when you said, "It most certainly not be #49. Still be lower than average, but not at the bottom," or at least I know that's what you're going to say you meant.
It should also be noted that Florida, California and Nevada were all hit particularly hard by the recession and are in worse-than-average economic shape in general. Arizona and Texas OTOH are states with governors and legislators who view cutting education as one of the first things a state should do when it needs to balance the budget.
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