The Bowen and Pieces for RJ trade was trading the salery of 3 guys who were done for a guy who should have been peaking career wise. Yes arguably there could have been a year or two out of fabs but his heart issues make that questionable and in theory a year where Bowen was toward the end of the bench (honestly the hurt relations with bowen are the biggest loss of this trade in my opinion.). This was a case of mis evaluated talent though, Jefferson was the player that Kidd made. Jefferson on his own eats alot of possessions to score 15ppg and play average disinterested defense. Jefferson being slapped by Kidd scored 20 ppg and plays slightly above average defense.
Once he got that pairing got separated you see the real Jefferson come out. I compare it in many ways to marion and nash though Marion also had kid for awhile which helped him considerably as well. Some players need a system to look good some players look good by being spoonfed. Jefferson was both.
I'm cool with no moves since there obviously wasn't anything out there that could have made a difference. There's no point making moves for the sake of making moves, especially when you have a system as difficult to learn as ours.
This team has made some big internal improvements this season, and it wins through self-sacrifice, chemistry and experience. Now we just need to stay healthy and get a few good bounces and we're as good a shot as any team at winning the rings.
Yeah the trade was good. You traded nothing for a player. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?So that trade was good for the Spurs, right?
Choosing Bonner/Blair/Neal over the young guys
What young guys is bonner playing over?
1)
2)Kawhi/Baynes/Splitter
spurfan needs to learn about numbers.
Kawhi nor splitter is losing playing time to them.1)
2)Kawhi/Baynes/Splitter
baynes will get his chance best year and is not a difference maker this year.
again, thinking the players traded to Milwaukee were integral missed pieces is ridiculously stupid.
Thinking RJ was an upgrade and helped the team is ridiculously stupid
considering the low cost, that rj trade was an upgrade. the rj re-sign was the big rj mistake.
i wonder if the spurs coulda got wilson chandler for green, blair and filler?
And now we all realize why the cost was so low...
the re-sign was a pure financial move
Low cost? 14 mil for a player worse than Danny Green
I don't see how anyone could dog the RJ trade. The FO made what they thought to be a game changing transaction to help the big 3. Nobody could have seen it working out as bad as it did.
The RJ extension is definitely the questionable part but it was either him or nobody. It's not like the Spurs could have went and spent 10m/yr on a FA. It was RJ or nothing. Some would have preferred to go with nothing and I get that.The RJ extension did allow us to bring Jackson back though.
This.
Damn near 100% of SpursTalk and well over 90% of the NBA talking heads thought that the trade was a great move. It's easy to criticize it now with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, but there are very few people that can bring up a post from June, 2009 that was critical of the trade.
designated and mel took the words right outta my mouth.
Fabs was essentially done at the time of the tradeIts better play scrubs like Bonner/Blair/Neal than develop DeColo/Green/Kawhi/Splitter/Baynes
Bruce was set to retire at the time of the trade
They were thrown in as salary filler more than anything. It was pretty much Kurt Thomas for RJ at the time. In hindsight the RJ trade sucked ass but hindsight is 20/20. You can't really blame them for acquiring the one thing we had lacked for a while, a legit athletic wing scorer. In theory RJ was actually a perfect fit, much like Kawhi is for our offense, RJ was supposed to be the more explosive version of that.
DesignatedT
i think the spurs shoulda gone with nothing. rj shoulda came back cheap or hit the road that off-season. is that the year the spurs lost hairston? i liked hairston.
that was a dad gum risky move. no hindsight necessary.
Those weren't really the choices available at the time.
how were those not the choices chump
All signs point to there being a predetermined deal between RJ and the Spurs where RJ opted out of his final year and signed for multiple years with a much smaller amount in the first year to keep the Spurs able to sign more players without running into tax problems. Some might argue that the Spurs could have just reneged on such a deal and been free and clear of RJ forevah, but such bad faith would have destroyed any goodwill the Spurs have with agents along with the ability to make similar negotiations in the future.
Facts are facts and that trade was a mistake.
MJ thought Kwame Brown was better than Chandler/Gasol/Joe Johnson/Zbo/G.Wallace/TP/Arenas and wanted the best for the team, but that doesn't change the fact that picking Kwame was a mistake.
RJ had proven to be a good scorer on 2 different NBA teams, including one that went to the Finals for 2 consecutive years. its hard to predict that he'd completely flame out the way he did
fair enough.
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