Vincent Jackson. Top 5 or hype?

[Edward]

Mul roll running faster then Tom Brady to a hair gel appointment set up by Giselle.
When asked to address:
49%

I'll address it. You're ignoring other factors to glorify a stat that's never talked about largely because it's influenced by so many other factors.

For one, Jackson averaged 19.2 yards per reception last year, 1.4 yards more than any other receiver, and 3.1 yards more than any other 1000+ yard receiver. The drawback of that is a lower percentage of balls thrown his way are completed, but that's the case with most deep ball receivers. Steve Smith for example only caught 52% of the balls thrown his way.

Additionally, of 32 starters, Josh Freeman was 29th in completion percentage at 54.8%. Mike Williams has the same 49% number Vincent Jackson does. The only players on Tampa who caught over 50% of balls thrown their way were tight ends and running backs who run short routes. Freeman simply wasn't accurate last year and forced a lot of deep balls. Being on a team also means Jackson was playing from behind and needed to run aggressive routes. The last time Jackson was on a winning team he caught 63% of passes thrown to him.

I also don't think anyone is calling Vincent Jackson a top 5 receiver or saying it's even debateable. IMO he's somewhere in the 9-12 range:

Elite WRs:
1) Calvin Johnson
2) A.J. Green
3) Andre Johnson
4) Brandon Marshall

Probably still elite and had historically crappy QBs throwing him the ball but was so unproductive you can't give him the full benefit of the doubt:
5) Larry Fitzgerald

On the cusp of becoming elite:
6) Spook Bryant
7) Demaryius Thomas

Been consistently productive long enough so he's above the group below him:
8) Roddy White

For one reason or another, they're either barely top 10 or not top 10:
9) Michael Crabtree
10) Julio Jones
11) Vincent Jackson
12) Hakeem Nicks

[Deion Sanders]

9) Michael Crabtree

Oh! A phong is ringin!

[Axe Murderer]

I'll address it. You're ignoring other factors to glorify a stat that's never talked about largely because it's influenced by so many other factors.

For one, Jackson averaged 19.2 yards per reception last year, 1.4 yards more than any other receiver, and 3.1 yards more than any other 1000+ yard receiver. The drawback of that is a lower percentage of balls thrown his way are completed, but that's the case with most deep ball receivers. Steve Smith for example only caught 52% of the balls thrown his way.

Additionally, of 32 starters, Josh Freeman was 29th in completion percentage at 54.8%. Mike Williams has the same 49% number Vincent Jackson does. The only players on Tampa who caught over 50% of balls thrown their way were tight ends and running backs who run short routes. Freeman simply wasn't accurate last year and forced a lot of deep balls. Being on a team also means Jackson was playing from behind and needed to run aggressive routes. The last time Jackson was on a winning team he caught 63% of passes thrown to him.

I also don't think anyone is calling Vincent Jackson a top 5 receiver or saying it's even debateable. IMO he's somewhere in the 9-12 range:

Elite WRs:
1) Calvin Johnson
2) A.J. Green
3) Andre Johnson
4) Brandon Marshall

Probably still elite and had historically crappy QBs throwing him the ball but was so unproductive you can't give him the full benefit of the doubt:
5) Larry Fitzgerald

On the cusp of becoming elite:
6) Spook Bryant
7) Demaryius Thomas

Been consistently productive long enough so he's above the group below him:
8) Roddy White

For one reason or another, they're either barely top 10 or not top 10:
9) Michael Crabtree
10) Julio Jones
11) Vincent Jackson
12) Hakeem Nicks

[Blizzardwizard]

Vincent Jackson was great on field, but a bit of an ass off it. Not top 5 though. Top 10? Maybe.

Also at the thought of cutting Rivers. That's something Norv Turner would do. Wait, what?

[Blake]

I'll address it. You're ignoring other factors to glorify a stat that's never talked about largely because it's influenced by so many other factors.

For one, Jackson averaged 19.2 yards per reception last year, 1.4 yards more than any other receiver, and 3.1 yards more than any other 1000+ yard receiver. The drawback of that is a lower percentage of balls thrown his way are completed, but that's the case with most deep ball receivers. Steve Smith for example only caught 52% of the balls thrown his way.

Additionally, of 32 starters, Josh Freeman was 29th in completion percentage at 54.8%. Mike Williams has the same 49% number Vincent Jackson does. The only players on Tampa who caught over 50% of balls thrown their way were tight ends and running backs who run short routes. Freeman simply wasn't accurate last year and forced a lot of deep balls. Being on a team also means Jackson was playing from behind and needed to run aggressive routes. The last time Jackson was on a winning team he caught 63% of passes thrown to him.

I also don't think anyone is calling Vincent Jackson a top 5 receiver or saying it's even debateable. IMO he's somewhere in the 9-12 range:

Elite WRs:
1) Calvin Johnson
2) A.J. Green
3) Andre Johnson
4) Brandon Marshall

Probably still elite and had historically crappy QBs throwing him the ball but was so unproductive you can't give him the full benefit of the doubt:
5) Larry Fitzgerald

On the cusp of becoming elite:
6) Spook Bryant
7) Demaryius Thomas

Been consistently productive long enough so he's above the group below him:
8) Roddy White

For one reason or another, they're either barely top 10 or not top 10:
9) Michael Crabtree
10) Julio Jones
11) Vincent Jackson
12) Hakeem Nicks

Wes not top 12?

It was the drop, wasn't it

[Edward]

Wes not top 12?

It was the drop, wasn't it

I like how you're pretending your Wes Welker knob slobbing was trolling all along.

[Blake]

I like how you're pretending your Wes Welker knob slobbing was trolling all along.

I'm talking about you leaving him off your elite list, Ed.

I think it's ridiculous myself to leave the AFC leader in receptions off the elite list.

[Fabbs]

The last time Jackson was on a winning team he caught 63% of passes thrown to him.

What "time" are you talking about?
His final Bolt season?
His entire time as a Bolt?

[Edward]

What "time" are you talking about?
His final Bolt season?
His entire time as a Bolt?

No, his 2009 season with San Diego as that was the last winning team he was on.

Good job ignoring the rest of that post addressing your original argument.

[Fabbs]

No, his 2009 season with San Diego as that was the last winning team he was on.

Good job ignoring the rest of that post addressing your original argument.

I'll address it Edward. Calm down.

[Darkwaters]

I just saw Vincent Jackson about an hour ago out here in Germany on a USO tour.

[Fabbs]

The last time Jackson was on a winning team he caught 63% of passes thrown to him.

Malkie Floyd also caught 63% that year and matched Jacksons yds per catch.
Yet if you watched all the Bolt games, you'd see Malkie making many more difficult catches ie going up in traffic, fighting for balls. Slacker only caught the wide open ones.

For one, Jackson averaged 19.2 yards per reception last year, 1.4 yards more than any other receiver, and 3.1 yards more than any other 1000+ yard receiver. The drawback of that is a lower percentage of balls thrown his way are completed, but that's the case with most deep ball receivers.

Yet Jackson consistently has a much suckier catch/target rate then other deep ball receivers.

Looks like everyone agrees (yourself included) Jackson is in no way a top 5 receiver. Yet he had his agents try to pry top 3 money out of the Bolts, sitting out and pouting when he didn't get his way. Ass .

[Grit and Grind]

Blame Norv

[Fabbs]

Blame Norv

Jackson actually pulled his slacker with Martyball also. Jacksons 2nd year, his 1st of seeing significant action. In the playoff disaster vs the Pattycakes facing momentum changing 3rd and long 3rd qtr, PRivers hits him with a beautiful pass. Wide open, 25 yard gain for 1st down into Pattsycake territory. Slacker lets it bounce off his chest. One of 5 million gift plays the Bolts handed the Pattycakes but point being his slackerness goes all the way back. Much of it can be attributed to his alcholism. But i mean cmon, own up.

True Norv is a joke and perhaps Bellicheat or one of the Harbaughs and/or a team with a solid core player base could have gotten him to play.
But as with his contract before and after San Diego, it's obvious Slacker Jackson plays for himself and no one else.

[Fabbs]

I'm not addressing it because I don't give a . Vincent Jackson was an irrelevent loser when he played for the San Diego Irrelevant Losers, and he's the same with whatever team he's on now.

monoslob with an accurate take. wow.

duncanOWNSko

Chargerfan constantly claims how overrated Vincent Jackson is, yet they can't explain how Rivers immediately turned to without Vincent Jackson while Josh Freeman had a career high in touchdowns and yards once Tampa got Vincent Jackson.

meh Freemans stats were projecting upward anyways. Jackson helped, no doubt. But OP and point is no way is he top 5.
Bear in mind this ass thru his agents was asking for top 3 money. I don't even have him top 15.
Rivers is a hillbilly, but obviously he has been the victim or re ed coaches. Now that he has a fairly decent coach who mixes up the playcalling and recievers that make an effort to catch the ball (new young guys, Gates and Royal efforts suck) look at Rivers now. You buried him wayy too soon.

41 catches on 90 targets?
45%
He's doing the same thing in 2013.

10 catches 138 yds 2 t.d.s vs Atlanta.
A good game for sure including the one handed grab.
Still, 22 targets in a loss.