The Curious Brainwashing Case of ...

[Blake]

If I ever completed all of Freddie's story - you might begin to get a glimpse as to why I believe 100% that we live in an insane asylum and that we are all lunatics who are running the place.
Since I do believe it--it only makes sense to "label" myself no better than any other lunatic.
A label can be used both ways by lunatics ...I could say, "he is an idiot"...or I could proclaim-"I am a doctor/lawyer/a success/ an astronaut....both are pretty worthless in this sick society.
I believe the insights and/or truth I might have hopefully pointed someone to- would be enough to be worth the time invested.

Calling everyone lunatics is labeling them. Either labeling is ok or it's not. If you think it's not ok, don't do it.

Lesson 2: stop being a ing hypocrite.

[Blake]

One of the reasons for wars, killings, religious zealotry,etc... this is only two people and we had two different interpretations...

We could both be wrong.

Good example of why the bible and its teachings have hurt as much as helped the planet IMO.

I couldn't agree more.

That's why Christians have no business pushing scripture into the political arena.

[LnGrrrR]

If I ever completed all of Freddie's story - you might begin to get a glimpse as to why I believe 100% that we live in an insane asylum and that we are all lunatics who are running the place.
Since I do believe it--it only makes sense to "label" myself no better than any other lunatic.
A label can be used both ways by lunatics ...I could say, "he is an idiot"...or I could proclaim-"I am a doctor/lawyer/a success/ an astronaut....both are pretty worthless in this sick society.
I believe the insights and/or truth I might have hopefully pointed someone to- would be enough to be worth the time invested.

What if you could get your insights across much more effectively if you used labels? Wouldn't it be worth it?

[silverblk mystix]

I'm not talking about your failed interpretation of scripture.

It was as wrong or as right as your interpretation.

I'm giving you my personal guide towards happiness.

Good to see you are happy. I would have never detected any happiness coming from your end...but I detected a lot of other things - none connected to happiness.

again, stop being a thin skinned pussy begging for respect. Getting respect from others is irrelevant when searching for truth.

Respect is like honor, success, achievement, accolades, awards, etc....it means absolutely nothing at all. Unless you are asleep.

Jesus disrespected a load of people. To their faces.

Explain how.

Sounds like you are comparing yourself to Jesus here. Interesting.

[clambake]

Explain how.

Sounds like you are comparing yourself to Jesus here. Interesting.

how do you know he's not jesus?

[silverblk mystix]

Calling everyone lunatics is labeling them. Either labeling is ok or it's not. If you think it's not ok, don't do it.

Actually - it is called truth. The fact that we are all lunatics is just pointing out a fact. Labeling in itself is not really a problem--it is IDENTIFYING with these labels that is the problem. It could be ok to label a tree a tree - it would not be ok to ASSUME that any tree you see is the same thing -therefore - you will never again see a tree in its present reality - you will be stuck seeing all trees as identical to the very first tree you labeled.

If you label a person a Christian and for years every time you see him you refer to him in your mind as the idiot christian because he believes in the bible - and you do this every time you meet him for the next twenty years -then you would have missed that he converted to judaism 19 years ago when he happened to "identify himself" with a different label.

Lesson 2: stop being a ing hypocrite.

I will take that to heart and observe your example if I get lost.

[LnGrrrR]

Actually - it is called truth. The fact that we are all lunatics is just pointing out a fact. Labeling in itself is not really a problem--it is IDENTIFYING with these labels that is the problem. It could be ok to label a tree a tree - it would not be ok to ASSUME that any tree you see is the same thing -therefore - you will never again see a tree in its present reality - you will be stuck seeing all trees as identical to the very first tree you labeled.

If you label a person a Christian and for years every time you see him you refer to him in your mind as the idiot christian because he believes in the bible - and you do this every time you meet him for the next twenty years -then you would have missed that he converted to judaism 19 years ago when he happened to "identify himself" with a different label.

Except it's not a fact. You perceive it to be a fact, but if you are a lunatic as well, then perhaps you are incorrect. By labeling everyone a lunatic (assuming/concluding that everyone is blind due to labels), you are guilty of seeing others by labels.

[Blake]

how do you know he's not jesus?

My dad thought I was Jesus when I was a teenager.

”Jesus Christ, you still haven't mowed the yard?”

[Blake]

I will take that to heart and observe your example if I get lost.

Nope. You can't use labels yourself but make rules for others when it's ok or not.

It's either always ok or it never is. Anything else is hypocrisy.

[silverblk mystix]

What if you could get your insights across much more effectively if you used labels? Wouldn't it be worth it?

Labels in themselves aren't the problem - so I agree with you.

[silverblk mystix]

how do you know he's not jesus?

I don't even think anyone really knows what Jesus is...let alone saying that Blake is him.

[silverblk mystix]

Except it's not a fact. You perceive it to be a fact, but if you are a lunatic as well, then perhaps you are incorrect. By labeling everyone a lunatic (assuming/concluding that everyone is blind due to labels), you are guilty of seeing others by labels.

You could be correct on all of this. We could investigate all of this...

[silverblk mystix]

My dad thought I was Jesus when I was a teenager.

”Jesus Christ, you still haven't mowed the yard?”

So on top of being an asshole - you were lazy too?

Maybe labels can be of some use...

[LnGrrrR]

You could be correct on all of this. We could investigate all of this...

How would we investigate it if we are brainwashed? How could one even know what it's like to be not brainwashed? One might THINK they know, but maybe it's a different or deeper brainwashing. I'm guessing you've seen the Matrix, right? The same argument applies to the "real world" of the Matrix... how do they know it's the real world? How do they know it's not just a second level, one designed to keep the ones who question in place by providing a more "real" reality to them?

The answer is there's no way for them to truly know. That's the problem with solipsism.

[LnGrrrR]

He might exist...the spaghetti monster...might not...same with god...

Whether he might exist or not has nothing to do with your BELIEF that he exists or not. Do you believe he exists?

[silverblk mystix]

How would we investigate it if we are brainwashed? How could one even know what it's like to be not brainwashed? One might THINK they know, but maybe it's a different or deeper brainwashing. I'm guessing you've seen the Matrix, right? The same argument applies to the "real world" of the Matrix... how do they know it's the real world? How do they know it's not just a second level, one designed to keep the ones who question in place by providing a more "real" reality to them?

The answer is there's no way for them to truly know. That's the problem with solipsism.

It's interesting - more than a few friends told me that I would probably enjoy that movie - yet I never really paid attention to it. A couple of times I caught a minute or two of it on one of the re-run stations....and I quickly changed the channel...I must dedicate some time to watching it.


How would we know....good question. By questioning everything - going back and looking at how you were put together and seeing where every belief came from. Where did we get the belief that we couldn't be happy w/out certain things?

Society,parents,culture,etc...

Why did we swallow this belief?

They told me I could never be happy til I had ____ ____... but I worked hard and acquired _____ ____ ...yet I wasn't happy. But I was also programmed to ---blame myself....so I tried harder and acquired more ____ & _____. Still not happy. Why?

Was it a lie?

Obviously, yes.

So - meaning - that this belief - was just a belief- a FALSE belief- yet the whole world lives by and for this belief...so what happened? Why is the world believing this false belief?

Back to blaming myself again - instead of the false belief...because the whole world must be right ==or I am just in' crazy....so I either accept that I am crazy or...
Go back and investigate ANOTHER belief that I was programmed to believe I had to accept...same result....over and over...


Etc....


By working on the programming and then doing the work of re-programming yourself....

[DisAsTerBot]

[Blake]

It was as wrong or as right as your interpretation.

It's obvious you didn't study/read the entire passage because you barely knew of the verse at all.

If you want to make up your own interpretation based on a snippet, then that's a poor way of digging for truth.

The right way is to study the full passage to see if Jesus really is telling everyone to literally hate their parents or not by using logic, context, cross referencing other verses, and then comparing your notes with scholars to see if they agree.

If you look, I think you'll find many agree with me, none with you.

Sounds like you are comparing yourself to Jesus here. Interesting.

You claimed he was/is enlightened. I'm telling you he disrespected people.

There to with, why are you crying when you feel someone disrespects you by calling you a ing idiot?

[Blake]

So on top of being an asshole - you were lazy too?

Maybe labels can be of some use...

Are you implying you were never lazy as a teenager?

If so, I'd label you a liar.

[silverblk mystix]

[color=green] It's obvious you didn't study/read the entire passage because you barely knew of the verse at all.

You are misinformed here. It is no use in telling you because these interpretations are always -only interpretations- not real facts. So we would be like the two blind men who are arguing over what the color green is like. Neither one has ever seen it so neither could possibly know.

If you want to make up your own interpretation based on a snippet, then that's a poor way of digging for truth.

I didn't use that way to interpret it - but it doesn't really matter - because again - we are both coming from blindness here so we can't possibly really know.

The right way is to study the full passage to see if Jesus really is telling everyone to literally hate their parents or not by using logic, context, cross referencing other verses, and then comparing your notes with scholars to see if they agree.

The "right" way according to who? To scholars who have an agenda? To someone with a le or a label in front of their name? Someone said I was mocking knowledge - when I say these things - so I have to tread lightly -but why would these people/scholars who have completely swallowed this society's poisoning and identified themselves with a label - be the ones who should decide this? Why do you need experts when truth is a mystery.
Of course - this won't fit your conventional - wisdom - your conventional logic- but it is as valid as anything else - in these matters.
I could humor you and say this, "what if these scholars gave their interpretation and agreed with you?" You would still have someone's "opinion" of what Jesus "might" have meant. It would come from credentialed people - I agree and understand - but it would still be no more than an "opinion" ---it still would not be truth and it would (judging by the state of the planet we live in) probably be just as inaccurate as what a homeless person could give you.

If you look, I think you'll find many agree with me, none with you.

Many also agree that money makes you happy too - what is the point? Many believed MLK was an ignorant n-word when he was telling them truths. Some, like johnsmith reacted violently. This means absolutely nothing.



You claimed he was/is enlightened. I'm telling you he disrespected people.

I asked you how? Got no answer - or I didn't see your response.

There to with, why are you crying when you feel someone disrespects you by calling you a ing idiot?

Here is a truth for you. You have your logic - different than others..different than one I might use...

here is a simple way that I feel is fair;

If I engage in a conversation with someone - I am respectful and forget about any past dealings we have had in the past and just converse - respectfully.

If this respect is returned with stupidity and this person can only relate in a stupid way - then I am happy to oblige him and treat him like a stupid idiot.

I see it as a simple and fair courtesy...some posters labeled me in their minds years ago and I could post in a thread about love - and all they could do was post in THAT thread about something I said in a hate thread....just business as usual here...

I am not butthurt about it - merely explaining what you see as some kind of pussy behavior...I see it as what I described...

Same thing I noticed with Avante...when you speak to him respectfully - he is a cool guy to converse with...when idiots and stupid morons post stupid and idiotic - he returns it and plays the "stupid" game.

Maybe it is an age thing...we didn't grow up on the internet where we could say stupid without consequence - we grew up with mutual respect towards others--unless they disrespect you.

Don't even expect you to understand - but you seem to be stuck on this "pussy" rant...lol

[ChumpDumper]

Here is a truth for you. You have your logic - different than others..different than one I might use...

here is a simple way that I feel is fair;

If I engage in a conversation with someone - I am respectful and forget about any past dealings we have had in the past and just converse - respectfully.

If this respect is returned with stupidity and this person can only relate in a stupid way - then I am happy to oblige him and treat him like a stupid idiot.

That's simply untrue. You have jumped into many threads in what you characterize as a stupid way from the start. You have launched attacks at posters months and years after the perceived slight you suffered at their hands.

It's difficult to take anything you try to post seriously as such when you are simply dishonest about your own obvious and provable posting history.

[silverblk mystix]

That's simply untrue. You have jumped into many threads in what you characterize as a stupid way from the start. You have launched attacks at posters months and years after the perceived slight you suffered at their hands.

It's difficult to take anything you try to post seriously as such when you are simply dishonest about your own obvious and provable posting history.

You missed the part about when I first respond to a poster -

I start with respect - if I am disrespected - I then oblige him.

Pretty simple.

Now you are whining ..."he said-she said"

I never fire the first shot - that is provable too but wgaf?

[ChumpDumper]

You missed the part about when I first respond to a poster -

I start with respect - if I am disrespected - I then oblige him.

Pretty simple.

Forever?

Yes, that is very simple.

But also untrue.

Now you are whining ..."he said-she said"

I never fire the first shot - that is provable too but wgaf?

If you need to feel morally superior so badly that you'll lie to everyone including yourself about it, it is you who GAF.

[LnGrrrR]

Silverblk, what if your parents told you that if you did X and you would be happy, and you did X and you were happy. Would that still be brainwashing?

[Blake]

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If I engage in a conversation with someone - I am respectful and forget about any past dealings we have had in the past and just converse - respectfully.

that's a bold face lie.

Disrespect to you intended.