creationism spreading in schools, thanks to vouchers (?)

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

O look, another thread Food Stamps Cobra is posting in while he avoids the Texas education spending thread like Chris Christie avoids the treadmill

[ElNono]

So why do you want to tell private schools, which parents take their kids to by choice, what can and cannot be taught.

And you say you aren't an authoritarian.

You need to make a case of why private schools (especially those receiving government funding) don't have to adhere to the same education standards as public schools... you haven't done that yet.

[Wild Cobra]

You need to make a case of why private schools (especially those receiving government funding) don't have to adhere to the same education standards as public schools... you haven't done that yet.

No I don't. Why should one group get something another doesn't?

Because you don't like them practicing their 1st amendment?

[admiralsnackbar]

No I don't. Why should one group get something another doesn't?

Exactly. If public funds are used by a private school, why should it have the right to teach beyond the legal limits a public school works under?

[Woo Bum-kon]

Is Wild Cobra seriously arguing that private schools don't have to adhere to education standards? He thinks that making teachers teach science instead of religion in a Science classroom is a violation of the 1st Amendment?

[Wild Cobra]

Is Wild Cobra seriously arguing that private schools don't have to adhere to education standards? He thinks that making teachers teach science instead of religion in a Science classroom is a violation of the 1st Amendment?

No. Are you saying education standards can overrule the first amendment?

How about showing me the lesson plan that shows they aren't teaching science as laid out.

[Wild Cobra]

Why are you all butt-hurt over this?

[Woo Bum-kon]

No. Are you saying education standards can overrule the first amendment?

Yes, or there would be no point in the standards in the first place.

How about showing me the lesson plan that shows they aren't teaching science as laid out.

The Creationist Museum has about dinosaurs and humans living together, which is wrong from historical and evolutionary standpoint.

[Wild Cobra]

Consider the purpose of a voucher. Everyone who owns or pays rent, is paying into the property tax system that schools get their income from. All the voucher system does, is allowing parents to put some of that funding to the school of their choice, instead of losing all of it for not putting their child in a public school. It allows some parents to put their kids in private schools that might not otherwise be able to afford it.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Why are you all butt-hurt over this?

Why are you trying to dumb down American schools.

[Wild Cobra]

Seems ti me this Zack Kopplin is a royal loser. Spending all this time trying to harm other people because of their faith, what life is he preparing himself for? A life of food stamps? Maybe a Jihadist?

[Woo Bum-kon]

Seems ti me this Zack Kopplin is a royal loser. Spending all this time trying to harm other people because of their faith, what life is he preparing himself for? A life of food stamps? Maybe a Jihadist?

Nothing says "properly prepared for life" like teaching children outright false things.

[Drachen]

Selfishly, a voucher system would help me TREMENDOUSLY and it's not even close. With that being said, I don't think I can endorse a voucher system if this is the result.

[Blake]

Schools teaching scientific principles that don't depend on religious beliefs = no establishment of religion and no burden on free exercise (since the choice to NOT teach creationism does not preclude citizens from teaching that religious belief in their homes)

Schools trying to teach creationism = endorsement of religion and burdens the free exercise rights of those who don't share that religious viewpoint.

I know for my own sake that I don't want public school teachers having to deal with weighty philosophical issues of religious nuance, just as I don't want a math teacher or an english teacher or a social studies teacher trying to inculcate religious values in my kids. That part of raising my kids is my job, not a public school's. Teachers in public schools have a hard enough time teaching the subjects that they're qualified to teach; asking them to become seminarians as well seems patently ridiculous to me.

The 1st amendment isn't a matter of faith, it's a matter of law. It's not an absolute right, and specifically 'school speech' is an area that has seen large amounts of litigation over the years.

What's highly hypocritical is your support for charlatan education while at the same time riling up on the product of such education, people wholly uneducated and unprepared for the real world that find it difficult to get a job.

Well stated.

Unfortunately these posts appear to have been ignored by WC.

[boutons_deux]

whatever is taught is public or private schools isn't a 1st Amendment concern.

[Halberto]

These religious nutjobs also have to accept that their taxes are paying for abortions, birth control etc..... If they choose to live in a biblical world let them... It worked out great for the Amish

[Blake]

Consider the purpose of a voucher. Everyone who owns or pays rent, is paying into the property tax system that schools get their income from. All the voucher system does, is allowing parents to put some of that funding to the school of their choice, instead of losing all of it for not putting their child in a public school. It allows some parents to put their kids in private schools that might not otherwise be able to afford it.

if we are going to allow tax dollar based vouchers to be used towards education, there needs to be minimum standards set regarding the curriculum.

If a private school teaches that 2+2= cow, should that school be allowed to accept vouchers? no.

The op mentions A Beka. Their science books teach that evolution is a crock of .




That said, I hate that property taxes are what are used to finance school districts.

[sjacquemotte]

I don't see why they can't teach both theories

[Woo Bum-kon]

I don't see why they can't teach both theories

They can teach their fairy tales in Theology class, and they can teach what actually happened in science and history classes.

[Blake]

I don't see why they can't teach both theories

Of course you don't.

[admiralsnackbar]

I don't see why they can't teach both theories

Cons utional issues aside, time is money.

[boutons_deux]

I don't see why they can't teach both theories

creationism isn't a theory, it's a Biblical fairy tale, like all of Genesis, and it has no supporting data.

evolution also includes devolution and evolutionary dead-ends, with the numerous observations, data that you Bible-thumpers are devolving into mindless cretins.

[mingus]

I went to a private school growing up and none of the people I know that went to that school actually believe in creationism, even though we were taught it. We were also taught about how we should not show a lot of skin (the girls), cheat, not drink underage etc., but the girls were all s, everybody cheated and everybody drank. I guess there were probably a few who believed in creationism and probably still do to this day. But I wonder how much of that is due to the education they recieved at school.

[sjacquemotte]

You need to make a case of why private schools (especially those receiving government funding) don't have to adhere to the same education standards as public schools... you haven't done that yet.

government funding as in vouchers?

[sjacquemotte]

They can teach their fairy tales in Theology class, and they can teach what actually happened in science and history classes.

So you want to take evolution out of science too? I disagree. I think they should teach them both.