The Curious Brainwashing Case of ...

[silverblk mystix]

Silverblk, when you get a chance, feel free to respond to my posts.

Been tryin' to....

I also decided to try something else...I think I will make a little time this evening and "break" down one of the usual suspects and demonstrate exactly how their programming is intact.

But which one....?

Hmm...

[Blake]

Been tryin' to....

I also decided to try something else...I think I will make a little time this evening and "break" down one of the usual suspects and demonstrate exactly how their programming is intact.

But which one....?

Hmm...

I hope this ends up being as bad ass as it sounds.

[ChumpDumper]

I predict it will consist of a lot of "See, that's your brainwashing. I'm not brainwashed, therefore I win."

[silverblk mystix]

Skeptics are funny

[Blake]

Skeptics are funny

Magicians are until they get exposed.

[ChumpDumper]

Faux enlightened hypocrites are hilarious.

[silverblk mystix]

You yourself said the problem is humans, and that reality is perfect. If reality is perfect, that assumes that humans are the problem. If humans are the problem, then fixing that problem would make it their responsibility.

Why would you think that? That humans bear some responsibility of reality? Reality is going to go on with or with out humans - just like nature is going to do what nature does regardless of what opinion humans have of it.



He might be.



Usually, it's considered a good thing to alleviate suffering. I guess someone could choose to do nothing, and stay "happy", but I certainly couldn't. Then again, I am more of an existentialist (the Sartre sort).

Fair enough.



Nature is unthinking. But I would say it is callous not to help your fellow man if you have the capacity to do so without putting an undue strain on yourself.

Agreed.
However - wouldn't you be more effective if you understood yourself, your motives, your programming, your state of being in touch or out of touch with reality - BEFORE - you went out to help?



Actually an interesting question. Some could argue that they are merely helping in order to make themself feel better.

And they can certainly help the whole world if they believe it is a good thing - but if they also harbor the illusion that this is going to make them happy...they have a big disappointment in store.


But I don't think that sort of "selfishness" is a bad thing.

Agreed - not really a bad thing...unless they think this will make them happy...


If people are hardwired to get good feelings from helping others, that's a bonus. And again, you are assuming brainwashing. I can tell you that my parents certainly didn't raise me as an existentialist; that's something I read on my own, and it felt "right" to me.


This is the truth that you have inside you - you instinctively recognized truth - I had been trying to tell others here that they might sense this if they were open. You were open, you investigated things - truth appeared - and you were open enough to recognize it. Pretty simple. Everyone should do more of this.




Now you could argue that it felt "right" due to brainwashing, but then you get to a state where every person's actions are out of their control and are merely in reaction to the original "first movement", which eliminates any sort of free will.

The way you recognized the above thing - is the same way you will recognize when something that was programmed into you is false. You keep questioning, investigating, remaining open to truth, realizing when truth might be knocking on your door rather than just being skeptical because you already "know" and it is impossible for truth to be at your front door.



Just because things are a part of reality doesn't mean they aren't tragic. Should the mother who recognizes that death is a part of life not grieve her son?

I told you this was another world. If humans had been told this simple truth, "you can die at anytime and it is ok...it is natural..death isn't a tragedy - we live -we die -at anytime"

This is reality. Do people want to hear that? Nope. This is what I meant when I said people don't want the truth.

If - from birth -humans accepted that life is fragile. Not guaranteed. Anyone can die at any second. No big deal. Would it be a tragedy?

Nope. A child would die and the mother would recognize it is part of life, say goodbye and continue.

Another world. But this is reality. Where's the problem? In human beings minds, yours, mine, all of us.



The second is certainly more calloused. Humanity has emotions; if you don't have emotions you're not human. And it's obviously not irrelevant since how we react to situations determines multiple fates. Even your supposed mystic will have opinions. For instance, does your mystic like the taste of chicken more, or beef? Which is the "true" reality?

I will say the same thing a different way;


The first person is still asleep : when it rains - he is pissed off because the rain ruined his picnic.
He sees that the food is ruined, the day looks grey instead of sunny and he allows himself to be miserable and experience anxiety, negative emotions, etc...

The second person is aware that the disappointment is in his head - the rain is doing what it does- rain.
He doesn't allow his computer to control him even though his computer is actively insisting that rain is a bad thing -that the day SHOULD be sunny and the day is now "labeled" a "bad" day.

[silverblk mystix]

Actually, it's just a case of simple logic. To claim the positivity of something, you need to prove it. Now, if someone said, "There IS no god", then you could ask him to prove that statement. If someone said, "The (Judeo-Christian) God you've described doesn't exist, according to logic", then he would need to show how the logic breaks down.

Contrary to spurstalk posters' opinions, I know these "rules" well. I understand if you are discussing a scientific or a mechanical thing or solving a mathematical formula -- these rules make sense and work and solve your "problem" "conclusively"

I understand.

How can you possibly place these same rules on the issue of the concept "god" and assume that these rules also apply? You just can't. It is not applicable. It actually is worse than that. It is plain lunacy. How crazy do you have to be to think that a conventional strategy is going to shed any truth on something we know nothing of?

Lunacy.

If you were to answer in response, "God doesn't follow logic", then it's a pointless argument. (Of course, he could ask you how you could possibly know that, but that's another argument.)

What kind of a lunatic would speak for "god" ????

Again, to use the Flying Spaghetti Monster, can you prove he doesn't exist? I doubt you can. But that doesn't mean we should start wondering if he's actually out there, or treating that option seriously.

Silverblk, just curious, how deprogrammed do you think you are? As a %? And then what % do you think the average person is deprogrammed?

Not touching that one.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually, it's just a case of simple logic. To claim the positivity of something, you need to prove it. Now, if someone said, "There IS no god", then you could ask him to prove that statement. If someone said, "The (Judeo-Christian) God you've described doesn't exist, according to logic", then he would need to show how the logic breaks down.

If you were to answer in response, "God doesn't follow logic", then it's a pointless argument.

He response was precisely that, so it is indeed a pointless argument.

[DisAsTerBot]

yet you assume the these rules don't apply while telling others it it not logical to assume they do. Lunacy

[silverblk mystix]

yet you assume the these rules don't apply while telling others it it not logical to assume they do. Lunacy

not quite - i said all along it is a mystery...how do you make sense of a mystery...you can try - why not...

maybe there is truth to bump into on your investigation...this might be worth to try but everyone can decide if they want to try or just accept a "sleeping scientists" explanation

[ChumpDumper]

not quite - i said all along it is a mystery...how do you make sense of a mystery...you can try - why not...

maybe there is truth to bump into on your investigation...this might be worth to try but everyone can decide if they want to try or just accept a "sleeping scientists" explanation

So, it's basically this: "Keep investigating and questioning everything except for the stuff I say which you should just accept because I say I'm right."

lol

[DisAsTerBot]

not quite - i said all along it is a mystery...

no. you didn't.

sbm: "You just can't. It is not applicable"

now just stop with your matrix bull . Nobody likes that movie anymore.

[silverblk mystix]

no. you didn't.

sbm: "You just can't. It is not applicable"

now just stop with your matrix bull . Nobody likes that movie anymore.

You believe you can solve the mystery of "god" ??? Go right ahead - you can use any strategy...it hasn't been - it never will


which part do you believe humans have figured out?

They haven't. They won't.

[silverblk mystix]

So, it's basically this: "Keep investigating and questioning everything except for the stuff I say which you should just accept because I say I'm right."

lol

nope

it is - this;

de-program yourself if you want to ...stay programmed if you want to

I would think you could make your own choice.

[LnGrrrR]

However - wouldn't you be more effective if you understood yourself, your motives, your programming, your state of being in touch or out of touch with reality - BEFORE - you went out to help?

I don't think the person receiving the help cares as much as the person giving as they do the gifts received. And the experience could possibly help you lead to further truths.

And they can certainly help the whole world if they believe it is a good thing - but if they also harbor the illusion that this is going to make them happy...they have a big disappointment in store.

It's curious you automatically assume the person won't be happy after helping.

I told you this was another world. If humans had been told this simple truth, "you can die at anytime and it is ok...it is natural..death isn't a tragedy - we live -we die -at anytime"
This is reality. Do people want to hear that? Nope. This is what I meant when I said people don't want the truth.
If - from birth -humans accepted that life is fragile. Not guaranteed. Anyone can die at any second. No big deal. Would it be a tragedy?
Nope. A child would die and the mother would recognize it is part of life, say goodbye and continue.
Another world. But this is reality. Where's the problem? In human beings minds, yours, mine, all of us.

Disagree completely. One can recognize the reality of something while still feeling emotions of loss, suffering, etc. For instance, you obviously are aware that your loved ones could die any minute. Does that mean you wouldn't grieve for them?

The first person is still asleep : when it rains - he is pissed off because the rain ruined his picnic.
He sees that the food is ruined, the day looks grey instead of sunny and he allows himself to be miserable and experience anxiety, negative emotions, etc...

The second person is aware that the disappointment is in his head - the rain is doing what it does- rain.
He doesn't allow his computer to control him even though his computer is actively insisting that rain is a bad thing -that the day SHOULD be sunny and the day is now "labeled" a "bad" day.

I somewhat agree with you here, in the sense that "life is what you make of it", but I don't think emotions prevent us from seeing reality. For instance, let's say the scenario isn't a picnic, and is instead an expensive vacation to a foreign locale. This is your one chance to see something interesting, and now you can't. Being upset or disappointed would certainly be justified.

How can you possibly place these same rules on the issue of the concept "god" and assume that these rules also apply? You just can't. It is not applicable. It actually is worse than that. It is plain lunacy. How crazy do you have to be to think that a conventional strategy is going to shed any truth on something we know nothing of?

Sure you can. Do you think the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists? Note: I'm not asking if he COULD exist, I'm asking if you think he DOES exist.

What kind of a lunatic would speak for "god" ????

Moses, for one. A few prophets as well, if I recall correctly.

[DisAsTerBot]

You believe you can solve the mystery of "god" ??? Go right ahead - you can use any strategy...it hasn't been - it never will


which part do you believe humans have figured out?

They haven't. They won't.

no, you made a claim that you can't put rules on god. I said that's just as much of an assumption as you say your detractors are making. You have no footing

[ChumpDumper]

nope

it is - this;

de-program yourself if you want to ...stay programmed if you want to

I would think you could make your own choice.

Yep, back to the "you're brainwashed, therefore I'm right" shtick.

That phrase and the previous one I pointed out have, are and will be your only actual responses to anything in this thread.

[silverblk mystix]

no, you made a claim that you can't put rules on god. I said that's just as much of an assumption as you say your detractors are making. You have no footing

You can put all the rules on the "concept" of "god" if you want...it wont do any good.

[silverblk mystix]

You can put all the rules on the "concept" of "god" if you want...it wont do any good.

additionally...

humans don't even know what "god " is ...so you are getting way ahead of yourself trying to apply rules to an unknown "subject"

Can you not see this?

[LnGrrrR]

You can put all the rules on the "concept" of "god" if you want...it wont do any good.

Why won't it? If God is a mystery, the idea that God is constrained by the rules of the universe is equally as valid as the idea that God is not constrained by the rules of the universe.

[silverblk mystix]

Yep, back to the "you're brainwashed, therefore I'm right" shtick.

That phrase and the previous one I pointed out have, are and will be your only actual responses to anything in this thread.

You keep missing it...

we are all brainwashed - only the degree of brainwashing that is left is really at question...but even that isn't important because no one wants to wake up...maybe LnG is somewhat open to investigate...everyone else here is basically not gonna ever wake up...

suit yourselves.

[ChumpDumper]

You keep missing it...

we are all brainwashed - only the degree of brainwashing that is left is really at question...but even that isn't important because no one wants to wake up...maybe LnG is somewhat open to investigate...everyone else here is basically not gonna ever wake up...

suit yourselves.

You keep missing that you just repeat what I say you would repeat. You simply set this up to make yourself feel superior. I don't know what insecurity you are trying to compensate for; it really doesn't matter at this point.

Suit yourself.

[silverblk mystix]

Why won't it? If God is a mystery, the idea that God has to be play by the rules of the universe is equally as valid as the idea that God is not constrained by the rules of the universe.

Humans haven't even arrived at what this name "god" is....how could we go further? The concept or name itself is a barrier to actually seeing what it could be.

Haven't you ever wondered what kind of a crazy person would "name" something he has no idea of what it could possibly be?

Why are we calling it "god" pretty crazy tbh - if no human has ever seen---why do we have a name for something unseen?

When people say the name or pray to it or whatever....they all see programmed things which have nothing to do with the reality or the truth...

Why would we even think we are gonna solve it?

Isn't it more productive to look at the opposite?

Which is blindness, darkness, ....

If we examine those things -meaning our false programming- we would at least be looking at what is preventing us from seeing...

we don't dont know what we'd find....

[LnGrrrR]

You keep missing it...

we are all brainwashed - only the degree of brainwashing that is left is really at question...but even that isn't important because no one wants to wake up...maybe LnG is somewhat open to investigate...everyone else here is basically not gonna ever wake up...

suit yourselves.

Saying "You're more brainwashed than I am" is functionally equivalent to saying, "You're brainwashed and I am not." It is somewhat telling that you chose to decline answering how deprogrammed you thought you were compared to the average person.