The Curious Brainwashing Case of ...

[DisAsTerBot]

additionally...

humans don't even know what "god " is ...so you are getting way ahead of yourself trying to apply rules to an unknown "subject"

Can you not see this?

:face palm

[LnGrrrR]

Humans haven't even arrived at what this name "god" is....how could we go further? The concept or name itself is a barrier to actually seeing what it could be.

If God is a mystery, then how do you know this? Aren't you just guessing as well? Perhaps it's not a barrier.

Haven't you ever wondered what kind of a crazy person would "name" something he has no idea of what it could possibly be?

Not really... plenty of people have "named" things that didn't exist before.

Why are we calling it "god" pretty crazy tbh - if no human has ever seen---why do we have a name for something unseen?

The same reason we have a name for philosophies, or religions, or any number of intangible objects. It is a shorthand way to describe some sort of idea, belief, etc etc.

When people say the name or pray to it or whatever....they all see programmed things which have nothing to do with the reality or the truth...

How do you know they have nothing to do with the truth if God is a mystery? Maybe these people have seen the "true" reality that God exists in some fashion.

Why would we even think we are gonna solve it?

Who said anything about solving?

Isn't it more productive to look at the opposite? Which is blindness, darkness, ....

Are you saying that the opposite of God is blindness and/or darkness? How can you know this if God is a mystery?

[Blake]

You keep missing it...

we are all brainwashed - only the degree of brainwashing that is left is really at question...but even that isn't important because no one wants to wake up...maybe LnG is somewhat open to investigate...everyone else here is basically not gonna ever wake up...

suit yourselves.

Why do you think your more awake than everybody else?

You call Jesus enlightened and you don't know anything about him other than what you learned in Sunday School.

That makes you an ignorant ass talking boob.

[Blake]

Humans haven't even arrived at what this name "god" is....how could we go further? The concept or name itself is a barrier to actually seeing what it could be.

Jesus said he did. You said he was enlightened and knew the truth.

Is he a liar? Or are you the liar?

Which is it?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't understand how siddharthablk mystix can, with a straight face, crow about all the questioning and investigating he did then turn around and attempt to disparage scientific method, which is basically nothing but questioning and investigation.

[Blake]

siddharthablk mystix

I couldn't finish reading that with a straight face

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are allowing SM to dictate the conversation down to what words are chosen. The key is to not use words that he is using even to reject them. Replace them with something else and the conversation becomes on your terms.

He dumbs certtain things like perception, cognition, and the development into actions which pigeonholes them and then you argue that. Refuse to engage the point with his rhetoric at all.

[Blake]

Neh. I think the fun comes in showing him how his brainwashing definitions contradict each other.

[silverblk mystix]

Saying "You're more brainwashed than I am" is functionally equivalent to saying, "You're brainwashed and I am not." It is somewhat telling that you chose to decline answering how deprogrammed you thought you were compared to the average person.

I wasn't saying I am any less - you are misinterpreting.

[silverblk mystix]

If God is a mystery, then how do you know this? Aren't you just guessing as well? Perhaps it's not a barrier.

??Thanks for making my point for me. I am guessing too. I stated that the christian bashers are no better - different brainwashing. None of us are any more right - or any more wrong - so the bashing is unjustified.
??The reason it is a barrier is because you haven't seen it - yet you gave it a name...religion has given him a face, a beard, a robe---do you not see the lunacy in that?
??Same thing here...no one has seen it or if they have - they couldn't adequately prove it or even adequately explain it - so why follow blindness with more blindness by attaching a "label" to it? Because we are crazy lunatics running a lunatic asylum that is why.



Not really... plenty of people have "named" things that didn't exist before.


??We are not talking about naming a dog "spot" and saying that this "god" thing should have the same rules of naming. A dog has been proven to exist - we name them - we know what they are - we have studied the physiology of them we know their reproductive systems, etc...
??To name something we don't even know exists is nothing but pure lunacy and to keep adding blindness on top of it by going to war over this blindness is more lunacy....I'll spare you all the list of other "blindness" we tack on to that...


The same reason we have a name for philosophies, or religions, or any number of intangible objects. It is a shorthand way to describe some sort of idea, belief, etc etc.

??See above



How do you know they have nothing to do with the truth if God is a mystery? Maybe these people have seen the "true" reality that God exists in some fashion.

??Maybe they have.



Who said anything about solving?

??The usual suspects who are running in here trying to say I said things I didn't....this was a response to brainwashing and a demonstration of how it happens.



Are you saying that the opposite of God is blindness and/or darkness? How can you know this if God is a mystery?

??I guess I can only guess. You are right I don't know for sure - no one does. I don't know why it is so hard to see that both sides are blind.
??I said it many times before -we are like the two blind men who are fighting over what the color "green" means -and they are both blind. That is a perfect image of human beings fighting over this "god" concept. This makes perfect sense - that both sides are blind - therefore both are wrong. Until a sleeping scientist runs in here and tries to twist this to go back to "conventional" logic. So we go round and round in blind circles...

[silverblk mystix]

Jesus said he did. You said he was enlightened and knew the truth.

Is he a liar? Or are you the liar?

Which is it?

Ask him.

[silverblk mystix]

Why do you think your more awake than everybody else?

You call Jesus enlightened and you don't know anything about him other than what you learned in Sunday School.

That makes you an ignorant ass talking boob.

You sound like a "tough guy" just stop...you are scaring me...I am trembling every time you name call me...

I run from the room and peek over the doorway to see if you aren't jumping out of the screen to kick my ass..

whew! what a scary tough guy you are!

[Blake]

I wasn't saying I am any less - you are misinterpreting.

You very very clearly said you were less than Woo.

If you didn't mean that, then you suck at communication.

[Blake]

??I guess I can only guess. You are right I don't know for sure - no one does. I don't know why it is so hard to see that both sides are blind.
??I said it many times before -we are like the two blind men who are fighting over what the color "green" means -and they are both blind. That is a perfect image of human beings fighting over this "god" concept. This makes perfect sense - that both sides are blind - therefore both are wrong. Until a sleeping scientist runs in here and tries to twist this to go back to "conventional" logic. So we go round and round in blind circles...

You don't know that others blind. Why do you make such silly assumptions?

[silverblk mystix]

You very very clearly said you were less than Woo.

If you didn't mean that, then you suck at communication.

everyone is less brainwashed than woo bung-hole this doesn't count.

[Blake]

Ask him.

It's your claim. I'm asking you.

Is Jesus enlightened or not?

[silverblk mystix]

It's your claim. I'm asking you.

Is Jesus enlightened or not?

What kind of a lunatic would actually speak for Jesus?

[Blake]

everyone is less brainwashed than woo bung-hole this doesn't count.

he was brought up in a catholic household and was indoctrinated into it.

If anyone has broken the y freddy clockwork orange brainwashing, it's Woo.

[Blake]

What kind of a lunatic would actually speak for Jesus?

Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.

Take your pick

But I'm not really asking you to speak for him. I'm asking you if you think he was enlightened or not.

Why is this yes or no question so difficult for someone so open minded?

[silverblk mystix]

he was brought up in a catholic household and was indoctrinated into it.

If anyone has broken the y freddy clockwork orange brainwashing, it's Woo.

He subs uted one drug for another, quite different than breaking out....

[silverblk mystix]

Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.

Take your pick

But I'm not really asking you to speak for him. I'm asking you if you think he was enlightened or not.

Why is this yes or no question so difficult for someone so open minded?

first of all no one that I know - knows what the enlightenment means...sorry cant help you.

[Woo Bum-kon]

You believe you can solve the mystery of "god" ??? Go right ahead - you can use any strategy...it hasn't been - it never will


which part do you believe humans have figured out?

They haven't. They won't.

You are really, really hard-headed. Burden of proof is about believability. You claiming that this God is completely unknowable doesn't mean , because in the end, there is no reason for me to BELIEVE that there is a god in the first place. Period.

It being completely unknown and/or unknowable, doesn't mean . In the end, it is still a claim, and for a claim to be believable, it must have corroborating evidence. The side that doesn't believe until evidence is presented is the correct side.

[Woo Bum-kon]

He subs uted one drug for another, quite different than breaking out....

What are you talking about, you ing idiot? What drug did I take instead? The drug of logic that any reasonable human should take? The drug that got humans where they are today?

You would be destroyed in any actual debate with anybody. You have the benefit of the Internet, where you can post your nonsense ad nauseum no matter how many times you are called out.

[silverblk mystix]

You are really, really hard-headed. Burden of proof is about believability. You claiming that this God is completely unknowable doesn't mean , because in the end, there is no reason for me to BELIEVE that there is a god in the first place. Period.

It being completely unknown and/or unknowable, doesn't mean . In the end, it is still a claim, and for a claim to be believable, it must have corroborating evidence. The side that doesn't believe until evidence is presented is the correct side.

In your blind world - you are absolutely correct.

[Woo Bum-kon]

In your blind world - you are absolutely correct.

Prove that there is some other world where believability doesn't factor in.