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this PC vs Console again? smh
The infrastructure as far as internet goes isn't ready for that here... well maybe in some areas but the rest of the U.S. isn't ready. Let's all cross our fingers that Google Fiber expand... and expand in a hurry. Or at least other broadband companies start to ratchet it up. Even ing Romania has better broadband than we do.
@ that quote
this PC vs Console again? smh
Is it really the case or is it just because the current gen of console lasted the longest and is pretty damn old at this point? To me it seems like the evolution of PCs is getting slower, actually the most recent big changes are the focus on power consumption and the way ARM challenged Intel with less powerful procs...
I don't have any current console and I run Ubuntu and basically don't play on it but I'm not sure what to get at this point. Maybe a OUYA, who knows, I don't care that much about graphics tbh.
I'm having plenty of fun playing something like that :
http://bombermine.com/#/play
True, but the life cycle of a PC isn't nearly as long as the current gen consoles have been.
Mod communities can keep games going for years.
When the PS3 was released it was arguably the most powerful gaming machine you could buy for any amount of money. At the very least it was close to the top end PCs of the day.
When the PS4 is released, it won't even be on par with a mid-tier gaming rig, in terms of raw processing power. Now obviously it will be better optimized because it's just meant to game, but the fact remains that PCs have become exceedingly powerful with the yearly NVidia and AMD releases. The PS4 will have ~1.86 TFLOPS of computing power, where as top of the line GPUs today are already managing double that, to say nothing of the next line of video cards that will undoubtedly push the envelope even farther.
Depends on what you define as "life cycle". The PS3 has been hopelessly out of date for a couple of years, minimum.
So I just learned that the PS4 wont play PS3 games.
That's pretty pathetic.
I doubt the 720 will either, especially if they both go to x86.So I just learned that the PS4 wont play PS3 games.
That's pretty pathetic.
Yet another point in the PC's favor.
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Not to sound like a smartass but of course it's not going to play PS3 games. It would have needed some crazy CPU that doesn't exist right now to emulate the PS3 or some kind of CELL processor inside the PS4 that would have raised the prices. I think they're going to use Gaikai for PS and PS2 games and probably later on PS3 games as soon as the emulation is up to snuff. Besides no on really cares about backwards compatibility. I could count on one hand how many times I used my PS3 for PS2 emulation. It's not a really big selling point for hardcore gamers.
I care. lol
The PS3 has far better games than the PS2 ever had so dumping the PS2 for the PS3 was not really that hard but in this case it is a hard selling point, specially when the PS4 has a very limited and pretty boring launch les.
Ultimately I will get a PS4 obviously but will wait a long while.
All those sweet upcoming games for the PS3 will keep me busy until the PS4 builds up quite the library.
GT6 apparently will not be a next gen console game but will be for the PS3.
Check this out..
http://www.destructoid.com/gran-turi...--247302.phtml
Out of date for who? If all you're interested in is specs, then you're right. But new games are still being released for it. A PC built 5 years ago probably won't play anymore though.
Again, for somebody like me who only plays a few games a year, it doesn't make sense to worry about having a top tier PC. Obviously your priorities are different, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Tbh gaming in general needs a boost, the industry is more boring than Hollywood on a bad day
PC gaming needs more games that are worth a medium/high-end rig, and that isn't really going to happen with consoles dominating the sales charts. All the traditional PC genres like MMO's and strategy games seem to be on the decline as a whole, and FPS are mostly goddam ports (although of course nothing beats a mouse + keyboard...then again consoles have the couch factor)
Not a fan of having to be always online, and it just about killed LAN gaming for me since no one likes to support LAN out of the box anymore
I thought the Sony PS4 was rumored to support used/old games, seems like it would be a smart PR move to help fight against the Big Brother 1984 Microsoft Box crap. Wtf always watching you? And MS is still trying to connect us to Kinect, that
Rabble rabble
And those top of the line GPUs will probably cost you the same as the entire PS4... and if you try to even remotely keep up, say every 2 years, you'll end up spending 4x-6x the cost of a PS4, and that's on the GPU alone.
I think iOS/Android, and the longevity of last's gen console have proven the whole race for GFLOPS, 24xAA, 120fps at 3160x2400 is arcane and fairly irrelevant to the market at large. The whole business has been shifting to both content and affordability.
These days, MS and Sony are way more interested to make sure you go to facebook/twitter/social through their gear and they can control the experience so they can upsell to you. Steam in a lot of ways is a lot like that too.
If you look at Windows 8, there's a whole lot of that going on there. It's a model that worked well for Apple and it's not surprising everybody is going to it. Is it good/bad for the consumer? debatable. It's just the direction things are headed.
Completely agree. While it's not difficult to see that some of these consoles are starting to show their age, I'm playing TR on the 360 right now and it's gorgeous. Will the PC version running on a top of the line GPU look better? probably. Who cares though?
ElNono taking a stance for console users?
Ehhh... no. I'm merely pointing out that cost-wise it's going to be difficult for your 'loaded' PC to compete with the pre-package. If money is no concern to you, then that obviously is not a problem (although, money is normally a concern for the vast majority of us).ElNono taking a stance for console users?
This argument is silly because what's 'best' varies from person to person. For example, I tried a lot of combos through time (including souped up PC), and what eventually worked for me (at home, not at work) is to have a modest computer (still have a SSD/memory upgraded MacMini from early 2009) and a console for videogames... and by 'worked for me' I mean cost/satisfaction ratio... you take your average children, and the combination might be completely different.
My daughter is perfectly content building cities in Minecraft on her iPod touch
Perhaps, but a modest GPU right now is $150 and will have the same raw processing power as the PS4, meaning that in a year the mid-range $200 GPU will likely surpass the PS4 by a fairly healthy margin. I spent $600 on my recent computer and I'd like to see it go head to head with the PS4, honestly. I think by the time the PS4 is released for $500 you'll be able to buy machines that handily beat it for similar money. I've seen builds on Reddit that have a 7950 for under $700 right now.
I agree that indie les are definitely making a comeback, but there is obviously still space for the heavy hitters. It would actually be great to see more games that focus on the original Deus Ex type open format gameplay rather than putting you on a rail like CoD does.I think iOS/Android, and the longevity of last's gen console have proven the whole race for GFLOPS, 24xAA, 120fps at 3160x2400 is arcane and fairly irrelevant to the market at large. The whole business has been shifting to both content and affordability.
What? I've never had to do any kind of marketing. Obviously social media is becoming more important, but I haven't been "forced" to do anything.These days, MS and Sony are way more interested to make sure you go to facebook/twitter/social through their gear and they can control the experience so they can upsell to you. Steam in a lot of ways is a lot like that too.
Too early to say. I love Win8 though. Solid, fast as , and more control over processes than 7.If you look at Windows 8, there's a whole lot of that going on there. It's a model that worked well for Apple and it's not surprising everybody is going to it. Is it good/bad for the consumer? debatable. It's just the direction things are headed.
That's like going to a car show and asking the dude why he switched out his headers for high performance, because "who cares" if you're only dropping your 1/4 mile time by half a second? I have the hardware, why wouldn't I want to push it?
For what it's worth, my $600 portable rig plays almost everything on max. If I hadn't wanted to make it so small and easy to carry, I could have gone for even more performance around the same price point.
Depends on what you define by "compete". PCs are obviously more expensive, however at the PS4 launch, it's not going to be nearly as big of a difference as it was when the PS3 was released. You're paying a little extra for a lot more utility and a lot more power as well.Ehhh... no. I'm merely pointing out that cost-wise it's going to be difficult for your 'loaded' PC to compete with the pre-package. If money is no concern to you, then that obviously is not a problem (although, money is normally a concern for the vast majority of us).
Completely agree, and more power to you. My main point in this is that a lot of the old arguments about PCs (you need $2k and a degree in CS, you can't play on a TV screen/with a controller, they're hard to use and unstable, games aren't as good, etc) have really gone by the wayside in the past 4-5 years. There aren't really negatives to either anymore, once the PS4 launches, it will just be about the tradeoffs you want to make.This argument is silly because what's 'best' varies from person to person. For example, I tried a lot of combos through time (including souped up PC), and what eventually worked for me (at home, not at work) is to have a modest computer (still have a SSD/memory upgraded MacMini from early 2009) and a console for videogames... and by 'worked for me' I mean cost/satisfaction ratio... you take your average children, and the combination might be completely different.
A 'modest' GPU is all Sony needs to run Killzone on 1080p smoothly for the next 5-6 years. That's their equation. You're fixated on stats and nothing I tell you will change that.
I also have $100 that you won't leave your current $600 computer untouched for the next 5-6 years, and that you'll be upgrading every 2/3 years (at the very least), putting more and more money into it or putting together a different box altogether. And that's ok, because that's what works for you. But you are not the average consumer that just wants to play Killzone on 1080p smoothly for the next 5-6 years and are simply better served by buying a PS4 and spending the extra money on something else.
Heavy hitters will play and look great on consoles, like they do now. After all, most of them are written for them specifically then ported to PC. When you think about it, the vast majority of AAA games' main target are console users. That's the market where they make their money on. Souped up PCs are down the foodchain (if they even bother to produce a port). Will it run at more fps and have 12 more shader effects? Possibly. Does it make the console version look like a Commodore 64? ehhh, no.
Uh? I think you didn't understand what I posted.
What do you mean too early to say? Win8 is actually late to the party.
It's more like needing a commuter car for day to day and also wanting to do some track events here and there. You could buy a Bugatti Veyron and do both, but for the bulk of what you're going to be doing it's going to be a costly waste. Or you could get a cheap commuter and a Porsche and do all of that for a lot less money and both still have fun and get things done.
But here is where the personal choice comes in. You would be the equivalent of the car-freak. You'll likely choose the Veyron regardless, because you love cars and your main thing is masturbating at the car power, instead of thinking in terms of cost/utility. And that's fine, because while you might be a niche, *that* is what gives you satisfaction.
That's cool, but does will it play Killzone at 1080p for the next 5-6 years? That's what 'power' means for the average consumer.
PS4 will simply have a much larger shelf life than any PC. When you look at cost, you're going to have to look at it from a 'lifetime' standpoint. After all, we all pay upfront for almost everything, but the actual cost depends on it's usable life.
If I buy a PS4, I'm buying the guarantee that games will work well on my 1080p TV, look great, and will have a solid stream of les for the next 5-6 years. And that's ultimately all that matters.
well, I disagree on some of that. Most PCs will require PC maintenance (anti-virus, firewall, spam, etc etc etc) and upkeep (latest drivers, latest steam client, dusting off once in a while, etc etc etc). It's stuff I don't want in my way when I just want to play games. From a convenience standpoint, consoles are still simply more convenient if you just want to play games.
I am once again done with pc gaming. Cheating is rampant. BF3 and Black Ops 2 are effectively ruined.
Someone out there has hacked the GT5 save files, and now there are cheat cars they play with online.
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