I always compared CJ to George Hill. CJ has better handles, both can play some D (Hill has longer arms), and have similar shooting mechanics.
Funny how CJ goes from 6 fouls in 11 min to 0 fouls in 18 min the next game.
Wow!!!!!!! I finally get it, COJO is the "Second Coming." Forget TP or any want-to-be Spurs PG. How foolish we were to think DeColo could be the one. Forget Mills...just a bug...step on him. Neal? Send him to North Korea with Rodman. Thank G_d, we have COJO!!!!
Ps. Just kidding. I only hope that we will love COJO as much if he doesn't live up to our collective expectations.
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He's probably closer to a bigger version of Curtis Jerrells without the chucker reputation.
And strawman award of the day goes to...
Thank you, I love awards!
I think the same way too. Joseph just spent time in the D-League since he was a raw one-and-done prospect when he was drafted whilst Hill spent 3 years at IUPUI.
So in terms of age and experience, Joseph is roughly where Hill was in his rookie season.
Also, he's a good fit in the starting lineup because:
1. The starting 5 is composed of above average defenders. Leonard is the designated perimeter stopper, Duncan is the rim protector, Splitter's pick and roll defense is good enough to get the Spurs to average as a team, and Green usually closes out on shooters well.
2. He can run plays without needing to freelance. Leave the improvised plays to guys like Manu.
3. He's a good enough shooter to play off the ball. Again, Manu and Tim get the ball the most while Tony's out.
That was my first reaction last night after seeing CJ play so well. But, honestly, CJ needed minutes. He bounced around in different systems in high school. In college he played in probably the worst developmental situation in the country. Last season, he didn't get summer league or even that abbreviated training camp (visa issues).
CJ needed minutes and got 1,000+ minutes in the D-League. Mills, to compare, has played only about half that many minutes with the Spurs. Even if the compe ion was lower, CJ was in major need of repe ions. He's probably better off now than if he was used in that Patty/Nando/Gary timeshare.
Besides, it's really not that late in the season. Seven weeks is PLENTY of time to work in a new player. Especially one who knows the plays and is familiar with his teammates/surroundings.
Looking back, Jacque Vaughn didn't win the job in 2007 until around the All-Star break. This would be a similar move in which Pop forfeits some offensive explosiveness for better defense and a steadier hand.
Manu is our second best PG.
Nando definitely gets us into our sets more efficiently at the moment but personally I gotta see more Joseph. Joseph's shot looked so much better, this is what I was most pleased with. Joseph completely left his man helping in the wrong spots in the 1st quarter, But his physical ability on D is obvious. Strength with speed.
Need more views.
I trust Nando with the ball at the moment. Best handles and best vision among our backups but also a more likely TO man.
Manu will do most of the ball handling with the 2nd unit in the playoffs. Not much is needed from the other guard in that respect come post-season. Being able to put a very capable defender and good shooter next to Manu at the other guard position is ideal. Nando isn't really either of those. Neal is obviously a great shooter but really struggles defensively. Hopefully Joseph can be the one who provides both. Ultimately, for Pop to choose him though he is going to have to be able to consistently shoot the ball well.
Absolutely.
Coming from an embarrassed longhorn fan.
What were his shooting splits in the D-League this season?
Wait, this is the same player everyone here ripped the spurs for drafting and said he wasn't NBA material?
Weak draft. We took a shot at a good kid in a bad learning situation. The mad came from expectations he was drafted as a NOW backup. And we still don't know if he is.
Yeah he's 20, clearly too late to do anything with him.
In hindsight people underrated the 2011 draft. Then again no draft will be as weak as 2000, even the 2006 draft where the Raps drafted Bustnani instead of Aldridge or Roy.
It would be cool if Cojo could do a George Hill in 2010 and make Parker seem expendable.
Have you considered that Pop might also just be trying to motivate the other "point guards" by starting a D league player? Not that the Spurs don't have long term hopes for Cojo, clearly they do, but in my heart I still have difficulty seeing Pop rolling the dice with an unknown player this late in the season, especially considering the playoffs.
Tbh, I see this as a classic "Poptease". Spurstalk gets worked up with a new prospect...only to see Cojo sent back to the Toros next week.
I'm not saying Cojo doesn't have a chance to make it stick this year, but history seems to be against him.
at making an MVP candidate expendable
I dunno, Vaughn moved past Beno for the backup PG spot by the All-Star break in 2007. Nazr didn't secure the starting spot until the playoffs.
Nazr got the starting job because Rasho sprained his ankle.
Interesting. According to Parker, did Pop really use the word "disappointed" or is that Parker's interpretation?
I'd like to trust Nando, but it's hard to trust a guy with virtually 0 offensive game. His spot up jump shot off the pick and roll is mediocre/borderline unacceptable. His spot up 3 point shooting is pretty mediocre. His shots just look really inconsistent (they're left/right of target often). His ability to finish around the rim is borderline unacceptable. I just can't come to trust such an offensive non-threat with backup PG duties in the playoffs.
Gary Neal is on the other end of the spectrum. His individual spot up shooting off pick and rolls is acceptable, but his court vision, passing, and handling in general are atrocious.
If I had to choose between Neal and de Colo right now, I'd honestly probably go with Neal (by a hair). At least he can go on a hot streak and drop three 3s in 7 minutes or something.
I was the biggest hater on CoJo last year come on the dude could dribble without looking like a Hunchback troll. But gotta say the dude took my advice and worked very hard this off season an to his credit does not look like a Hunchback Troll when he dribbles. We will see how he performs against good teams but as much as I was hating on him I would love for him to prove me wrong. I will happily eat all the crow possible......Yummmy...
Parker exact words answering at a question on whether or not De Colo would get more playing time with his injury:
"I don't know what is inside Pop's head. I know that he was little disappointed by the outings of the 2 backup PG, Patty and Nando, so he called up Cory Joseph. There are about 20 games remaining and I think the backup PG slot is open to the three players. The three have a true opportunity even more that I wont play for three weeks. So the three will have a true opportunity to show Pop that they deserves to be in our rotation and earn playing for the playoffs because in the playoffs, rotation will tighten and only 8/9 players will play. According to me, Pop hasn't made his choice and they have three weeks to convince."
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