Quick Grades: Spurs vs. Pistons - March 3

[Aztecfan03]

He was drafted same time as Kawhi. It hasn't even been 2 years yet. Both in second season.

edit: i see now someone else already said this.

[maverick1948]

CJ was excellent last night. 1game. Mills was good in his time on the court. De Colo was on the court with Neal for a good amount of time. His stats dont reflect him playing PG for entire time. Neal ran some PG. All 4 did exceptional well. Manu was also, a major factor in the PG race. He was a beast last night. To give too much credit to anyone on the team woul be wrong. This win was a team effort. Even Bonner had 3 or 4 plays that were good. The rebound was not the only he factored in on. He twice tapped the board to another player who gets credit. He, also, cut off the baseline on a drive that resulted in a turnover. As a TEAM, the Spurs were totally dominate. Checking the stat sheet, you will find that CJ, Patty, and Nando had 48 Mins, 17 pts, 1 reb, 10 assts, 3stls, 1 block, commited 2 TO and 1 foul. If they continue to play this way TP will not be missed in most games. Neal can continue to rest his leg. He will NOT be missed. Kawhi Leonard brought the ball up several times. He was not intimidated by any defender. I think we found our help in bringing up the ball with young PG on the court.

Wednesday we have Chicago followed By Portland. After those two games, we can revisit the idea of who is the PG or PF for the Spurs.

[racm]

CJ was excellent last night. 1game. Mills was good in his time on the court. De Colo was on the court with Neal for a good amount of time. His stats dont reflect him playing PG for entire time. Neal ran some PG. All 4 did exceptional well. Manu was also, a major factor in the PG race. He was a beast last night. To give too much credit to anyone on the team woul be wrong. This win was a team effort. Even Bonner had 3 or 4 plays that were good. The rebound was not the only he factored in on. He twice tapped the board to another player who gets credit. He, also, cut off the baseline on a drive that resulted in a turnover. As a TEAM, the Spurs were totally dominate. Checking the stat sheet, you will find that CJ, Patty, and Nando had 48 Mins, 17 pts, 1 reb, 10 assts, 3stls, 1 block, commited 2 TO and 1 foul. If they continue to play this way TP will not be missed in most games. Neal can continue to rest his leg. He will NOT be missed. Kawhi Leonard brought the ball up several times. He was not intimidated by any defender. I think we found our help in bringing up the ball with young PG on the court.

Wednesday we have Chicago followed By Portland. After those two games, we can revisit the idea of who is the PG or PF for the Spurs.

Tiago?

[TD 21]

Meh, he's shooting 36% from 10 feet and out IIRC, on a team with the best offensive system in the NBA..

I'm not suggesting that the Spurs give up on him, I'm merely pointing out that his lack of shooting and lack of confidence in his shot hurts his game and the team offense..

I don't have the adjusted +/- numbers in front of me and I could easily be wrong, but the eye test indicates that the offense is relatively limited when De Colo is on the floor..

Fair enough . . . I just think saying "he can't shoot" is overstating it.

The biggest problem with him is turnovers. His turnover percentage is through the roof and the extent to which he's able to slash that will determine whether he develops into a legit rotation player or not. Contrary to what some think, he'll likely have to do so as a PG, considering how unlikely it is that he becomes much of a scoring threat (and he's obviously a limited defender).

[TJastal]

I see Mills as very similar to Parker when he first burst on the scene. A scoring point guard. Unlike Neal, he actually does possess the tools of the trade, he just needs to develop them. Look at how long it took TP to find an overall game. Furthur, Mills was an excellent fit in the 2nd unit with Manu. His limited skill set actually fits better because it alows Ginobili more touches.

I still very much believe Pop screwed the pooch by throwing another pg into the fray. What is the plan here? Are they all going to keel on playing point guard by commitee? Is the plan to have Joseph back up Tony? This feels like another claasic Poptastic disaster waiting to happen. I'm going to be laughing my ass off when Joseph starts ing up royally and costing the spurs games and all the bandwagoners start bailing off his ship just as quick as they hopped on.

[wildbill2u]

DeColo has some glaring deficiencies as a PG. At his height and lack of foot speed, he should probably be a 2G instead of a PG. His defensive deficiencies make him a bad match up against most PGs in the league. It's his fancy passing that has everyone thinking of him as a PG. But his turnovers and the turnovers his fancy passes create are a liability for a non-shooting PG.

As far as his adaptability as a 2G à la Manu, he can't shoot worth a damn as yet. Manu has the fancy passes, but can pull most of them off and can shoot. If DeColo can develop an offensive game to play 2G then he'll do OK off the bench, but I can't see him as a starter at either 2G or PG in the near future.

[wildbill2u]

Fair enough . . . I just think saying "he can't shoot" is overstating it.

The biggest problem with him is turnovers. His turnover percentage is through the roof and the extent to which he's able to slash that will determine whether he develops into a legit rotation player or not. Contrary to what some think, he'll likely have to do so as a PG, considering how unlikely it is that he becomes much of a scoring threat (and he's obviously a limited defender).

You and I are on the same track. I hadn't seen your post when I wrote mine and posted it a couple of posts down.

[Bruno]

Nando has clearly hit the rookie wall. In his last 15 games, he shots 29.4% from the field. Unlike some kind of rebirth, his rookie season is basically done. He will still play some garbage time minutes but not a lot more.

To me, the true question about De Colo is what to do with him next year. Can he be a rotation layer for a contender/pretender? Should he play PG and/or SG?
The answers at these questions should determine what moves Spurs will do this summer.

[jjktkk]

I see Mills as very similar to Parker when he first burst on the scene. A scoring point guard. Unlike Neal, he actually does possess the tools of the trade, he just needs to develop them. Look at how long it took TP to find an overall game. Furthur, Mills was an excellent fit in the 2nd unit with Manu. His limited skill set actually fits better because it alows Ginobili more touches.

I still very much believe Pop screwed the pooch by throwing another pg into the fray. What is the plan here? Are they all going to keel on playing point guard by commitee? Is the plan to have Joseph back up Tony? This feels like another claasic Poptastic disaster waiting to happen. I'm going to be laughing my ass off when Joseph starts ing up royally and costing the spurs games and all the bandwagoners start bailing off his ship just as quick as they hopped on.

Unless your a troll, why would this be funny? None of the candidates for the pg positioon has stepped up and grabbed the backup pg position. And injuries have dictated CoJo getting called up. Cojo looked good out there last game, and hopefully he can can be at least an option for the backup pg job.

[Boomersgold]

Unless your a troll, why would this be funny? None of the candidates for the pg positioon has stepped up and grabbed the backup pg position. And injuries have dictated CoJo getting called up. Cojo looked good out there last game, and hopefully he can can be at least an option for the backup pg job.

Mills looked just as good, if not better, with the second unit. In fact, it was Mills that sparked our run when he came in at about the 5 minutes mark of the first quarter.

[jjktkk]

Mills looked just as good, if not better, with the second unit. In fact, it was Mills that sparked our run when he came in at about the 5 minutes mark of the first quarter.

The problem with Mills, is consistancy. I look at Mills more of a sparplug of the bench. Still a possible option, along with De Colo, and Neal, but all 3 have yet to nail down the backup pg job.

[200 miles]

I for one am glad that CoJo is being given a shot to start rather than Mills. Not to sound anti-Parker, but it's good to see that the Spurs have a PG, let alone a temporarily starting PG, play at least solid defense AND being more pass-first, as opposed to Mills and Neal. De Colo can facilitate but plays average at best defense.

[Hoops Czar]

The problem with Mills, is consistancy. I look at Mills more of a sparplug of the bench. Still a possible option, along with De Colo, and Neal, but all 3 have yet to nail down the backup pg job.

Tough to be consistent when you don't get consistent paying time. I think he proved last year that when given playing time, he can produce. Mills doesn't get much burn because Pop prefers a pass-centric pg and that's just not Patty. As far as De Colo's concerned, Pop is stunting his growth because of his absolute refusal to send him to the D-league. He's nowhere near ready for this level of compe ion and like I said before, he is the de facto posterboy for everything that the D-league stands for.

[jjktkk]

Tough to be consistent when you don't get consistent paying time. I think he proved last year that when given playing time, he can produce. Mills doesn't get much burn because Pop prefers a pass-centric pg and that's just not Patty. As far as De Colo's concerned, Pop is stunting his growth because of his absolute refusal to send him to the D-league. He's nowhere near ready for this level of compe ion and like I said before, he is the de facto posterboy for everything that the D-league stands for.

Which is what most coaches want out of their pgs. Not saying Mills doesn't have a role, but I don't see Mills being nothing but a sparkplug off the bench.

[TJastal]

Which is what most coaches want out of their pgs. Not saying Mills doesn't have a role, but I don't see Mills being nothing but a sparkplug off the bench.

Score first mentaity point guards have been doing quite well actually in the league. See: Rose, Westbrook, etc stc. Surely you must recall thart brash 19 year old from France who came into the league a decade ago and didn't have a passing bone in his body. Guess in that feverish popsucking delerium you live in daily you become oblivious to everything else.

[jjktkk]

Score first mentaity point guards have been doing quite well actually in the league. See: Rose, Westbrook, etc stc. Surely you must recall thart brash 19 year old from France who came into the league a decade ago and didn't have a passing bone in his body. Guess in that feverish popsucking delerium you live in daily you become oblivious to everything else.

As Ron White once said "You can't fix stupid".

[Boomersgold]

As Ron White once said "You can't fix stupid".

It's quite true, tbh. When that French youngster came into the league, he was never seen as a great passer by anyone, and yet Pop decided to stick with him and develop him.

[jjktkk]

It's quite true, tbh. When that French youngster came into the league, he was never seen as a great passer by anyone, and yet Pop decided to stick with him and develop him.

You missing the point. Comparing Parker, Rose, Paul's , etc... skillset to Cojo, is laughable. As a backup pg, Cojo's job is to run the offense, limit turnovers, etc., not attempt to emulate TP's ability to score.

[Obstructed_View]

You missing the point. Comparing Parker, Rose, Paul's , etc... skillset to Cojo, is laughable. As a backup pg, Cojo's job is to run the offense, limit turnovers, etc., not attempt to emulate TP's ability to score.

Actually, someone compared Mills to those guys, which is equally stupid. As much as I like Mills, he's a ty defender. That's not going to change. If Joseph can bring the ball past half court without turning it over, play good defense, and score when dared to by the opposition, he wins the job. Mills can come off the bench and score, but that's a role, not a rotation spot.

[Prime Time]

(WARNING; THIS POST IS UNREALISTIC, BIAS, AND PERHAPS JUST PLAIN STUPID)

I'm really hoping Joseph can develop into a great defensive player in terms of guarding combo guards. Spurs get abused by the likes of

Stephen Curry
Eric Gordon
Derrick Rose
Dwyane Wade
Jarrett Jack
Jason Terry

Green and Leonard aren't quick enough to guard these players, Joseph is the only one with potential to at least contain them. If he can get anything near this, Spurs will be that much harder to beat.

[Boomersgold]

(WARNING; THIS POST IS UNREALISTIC, BIAS, AND PERHAPS JUST PLAIN STUPID)

Sarcasm? If not, then this wasn't really necessary. Everyone's opinions are welcome on Spurstalk.

[Prime Time]

Sarcasm? If not, then this wasn't really necessary. Everyone's opinions are welcome on Spurstalk.

Haha, I just don't want to be "that guy" who claims our prospect could contain some of the best scorers in the league. Even I realize that's a stretch

[maverick1948]

Tiago?

POINT FORWARD Kawhi Leonard... Jeezzzzz Do you think about the threat or is it you lack the thought process to understand.

[SPIDER2311]

Lets get a few things straight. COJO played against a really bad team in the Pistons , lets not get all hyped up by his performance. Tonight will give us a better indication. Good luck to the kid