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When it comes to discussing things that have an empirical basis I will always discuss it in good faith.
With certainty about the rise in violent crime in Germany in the 1960s? Sure. I also don't really understand the importance of the abc conjecture or the orthogonality in quantum mechanics. That's okay; I am more than comfortable saying I don't know rather than make up that makes it so it fits my world-view.
When it comes to discussing things that have an empirical basis I will always discuss it in good faith.
Do you believe that private ownership of guns deters crime?
Thought you would have read the study you posted, noting the dramatic rise in the 70's and 80's, not the 60's. This is one of many studies I have seen that shows and drop in gun crime after strict gun regulation, but a rise in overall violent crime ex: Germany, Australia, United Kingdom. Seems like a trend to the naked eye.
Why do you still own a firearm? Don't feel too comfortable yet with your nunchucks?
Youre moving goalposts and generally being boring. If you can try and demonstrate a linkage to cause then I will care.
moving the goalposts? This thread is about our moronic VP's advice on how to scare off intruders.
I believe it. And it was not meant to suggest that throwing bait out is always a win for the troller.
LOL...
3 days, and I finally took the time to watch the video in the OP.
Hilarious!
Still, it is showing improper shotgun use vs. proper semiautomatic use.
Now a 12 gauge does have a pretty good kick, but still...
I half agree with Biden. If your purpose home defense, then either a shotgun or pistol is the way to go. Not a semiautomatic rifle. Still, all legal weapons do have a time and place for usage. If you want a non-lethal shotgun, make salt filled founds!
Weird that the anti-gun crowd refused to comment on the Democrat that was chosen to spearhead new gun regulations. Is your silence a vote of confidence in him or do you all see him for the re he is?
"During his interview with Parents magazine, which took place via a Facebook town hall, a questioner asked how women are supposed to “protect ourselves” if Congress bans assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Biden responded that the government isn’t going to take away people's guns, and that women shouldn’t need an assault weapon to feel safe. Instead, he said, a shotgun would do the trick -- the same advice he gave his wife.
“If you want to protect yourself, get a double barrel shotgun," Biden said. "I promise you, as I told my wife … I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out, put [up] that double barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.'"
“You don't need an AR-15," he said. "It's harder to aim, it's harder to use. And in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun!"
Absolutely. In some instances, it will alter a criminals behavior and planning if they put the possibility of a gun in to the mix. I also feel the opposite is true. Taking the possibility of a victim having a gun will advance a criminals desire for committing a crime.
That's why you don't tell people you have a gun.
And other than personal anecdotes and make-believe do you have any basis for this belief?
I'm definitely not going to copy and paste statistics that have no causation with each other in an attempt to push my belief. Like the fact some of the cities with the most gun laws have the highest gun crimes...
FuzzyLumpkins: Do you believe that the knowledge of a gun will not deter a criminal?
I believe that a community that has 500 guns in it is more likely to have a gun crime that one that has 300 guns. That's how I look at it. Most gun supporters think of 'how can I be a cowboy.' It's just a fundamental difference in viewpoint.
There are not less guns in Chicago, LA etc because you can drive to AZ or another county with ease. Without comprehensive national gun control it won't matter because you can just go a jurisdiction over to buy your guns. That's well do ented. Of course all the workaround for background checks like the guns TSA sells online only serves to compound the problem.
care to explain this one a bit more? Specifically concerning me.
When you sold your gun online did you do a background check?
500 legally owned guns verse 300? Are you making a distinction of legal gun owners as opposed to illegal gun owners or just generally?
the background checks would just be another swift kick in gun owners balls... It would create more buerocratic waste. Not fix a single problem. Disallow gun owners from selling their guns, and instead make them have to sell to a gun store. The fact that it would be illegal if I sold my gun to a friend of mine is idiotic.
Seeing what the newspaper in new york did with public records of people who own guns, it would be an acceptable idea that gun owners would be very weary of their information going to the govt.
What I think they should do. Just my opinion. I think they should do a gun buying certificate. A person pays for a background check and gets a certificate which is good for a certain amount of time. No records kept from the govt. and background checks are done to buy. Then create a crime to sell a gun without seeing and making a copy of certificate.
I met the winner of the auction at a local gun store and did the transfer there with their FFL, so yes there was a background check.
Maintains freedom for owning firearms, and keeps criminals from buying guns. Also encourages free enterprise for regular people to buy weapons and be able to sell at a fair price, which they wouldn't get if gun shops knew they were the only business in town.
Well all know the narrative. What we do not have is proof.
As for legally versus illegal, it is impossible to track illegal guns. It is hard to even track legal guns because of registration resistance. However the data we do have is that the more guns equals more gun crime.
Last edited by FuzzyLumpkins; 03-05-2013 at 08:14 PM.
Why is it bull ? That's how it went down.
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