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    Cogito Ergo Sum LnGrrrR's Avatar
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    http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/04/health...html?hpt=hp_c1

    Interesting moral question. If you knew your baby was going to have severe mental and health problems, would you abort it? What about if you or your loved one were carrying the baby as a surrogate? What if you knew as parents that you couldn't afford the medical treatments necessary to take care of your child? A story worth checking out.

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    God doesn't make mistakes.

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    God doesn't make mistakes.
    Which is why he bestowed the gift of abortion unto us?

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    God doesn't make mistakes.
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    tbh, i am a firm believer in god. Life if Life and it should not be taken away, but i think i would have a hard time raising a child if i knew he was going to be normal. i.e. disease/sickness. i might abort him/her imho, good questiong though always up for debate

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    God doesn't make mistakes.
    which God are you referring too?

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    which God are you referring too?
    What is this word "god" that is constantly thrown around without having a clue what it means?

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    Moss is Da Sauce! mouse's Avatar
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    What is this word "god" that is constantly thrown around without having a clue what it means?
    Because the word God has turned into a pun a punchline a nickname a way to swear. and even the ones who claim they know what god means and the ones who claim they believe in a God have no clue what the word God stands for.

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    People who changed the world AND were adopted:
    Pre Roe v. Wade
    Jesse Jackson
    Malcolm X
    Steve Jobs
    Dave Thomas
    Marilyn Monroe
    Dr Ruth
    Bill Clinton
    *Mother Teresa*
    Gerald Ford
    Nancy Reagan
    John Han
    Newt G.
    Eleanor Roosevelt
    Larry Ellison
    Eric erson
    Eric Clapton
    Michael Bay

    Post Roe v. Wade
    Snookie

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    What is this word "god" that is constantly thrown around without having a clue what it means?
    Meaning is entirely dependent on the one who uses the word.

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    Should this baby have been aborted?

    Man With Down Syndrome Runs N.M. Restaurant

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    silverblk mystix
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    Meaning is entirely dependent on the one who uses the word.

    ...and in each case...it is entirely inaccurate.

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    This is what happens when reproduction is turned into business. You have women getting money to donate eggs, doctors making money in fertility clinics, and women being paid to carry babies.

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    God doesn't make mistakes.
    God didn't make this baby - scientists did.

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    57-Chambers Woo Bum-kon's Avatar
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    ...and in each case...it is entirely inaccurate.
    That doesn't make any sense. There is no meaning independent of humanity. The concept of "god" was created by humans in the first place, so your assertion is asinine.

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    Interesting moral question, yes. Ethical question, nay. You can't contract away the fundamental right to choose what happens to your body - so if anyone wanted to raise a stink in a court of law, they'd run into a huge public policy dilemma. According to the CNN report on TV, surrogacy is a billion dollar enterprise - so more power to these rich people and their tainted seeds...and the wonderful capitalists that draw up the contracts. , if we can make adopting and fostering kids into a money-making enterprise, then we owe it to ourselves to take it a step further, not just for America, but for the world.

    Sidebar: I thought this lady was cool until it was revealed she came back for more money. Lame.

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    God didn't make this baby - scientists did.
    Why didn't god stop the scientists from making such an ungodly being?

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    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
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    People who changed the world AND were adopted:
    Pre Roe v. Wade
    Jesse Jackson
    Malcolm X
    Steve Jobs
    Dave Thomas
    Marilyn Monroe
    Dr Ruth
    Bill Clinton
    *Mother Teresa*
    Gerald Ford
    Nancy Reagan
    John Han
    Newt G.
    Eleanor Roosevelt
    Larry Ellison
    Eric erson
    Eric Clapton
    Michael Bay

    Post Roe v. Wade
    Snookie
    Were adoptions outlawed after Roe vs Wade? Not sure I get the point besides of the humorous Snookie part...

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    57-Chambers Woo Bum-kon's Avatar
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    God didn't make this baby - scientists did.
    God doesn't make any babies, so your point is moot.

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    silverblk mystix
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    That doesn't make any sense. There is no meaning independent of humanity.

    Bull . There is reality. Humans placed their "opinions" of what they "guessed" reality was/is. They were just as likely to be wrong or really wrong. It doesn't have much to do with what "god" is or isn't.

    The concept of "god" was created by humans in the first place, so your assertion is asinine.

    Thanks for helping me make my point. Humans created this concept of god - so there is zero chance that this concept is accurate in any way.

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    Thanks for helping me make my point. Humans created this concept of god - so there is zero chance that this concept is accurate in any way.
    You fail to understand my point. "God" is a concept created by humans. Without humans, the concept does not exist. There is no "god" independent of human thought. You try to act like you know better than everybody else, but you haven't taken a second to ask yourself where this idea of a god comes from. You go on and on about how god is a mystery that is unknowable, but you not once stop and consider god as merely an idea created by humans.

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    Were adoptions outlawed after Roe vs Wade? Not sure I get the point besides of the humorous Snookie part...
    Yeah the snookie one made me laugh too. I did try and find one. But the list stands on it's own. Interpret it how you want.

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    silverblk mystix
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    You fail to understand my point. "God" is a concept created by humans. Without humans, the concept does not exist.

    I understand and actually agree with this.

    There is no "god" independent of human thought. You have no certain way of knowing this - neither do I. It does not = to you being right. If you don't know for sure - then you cannot possibly be right - but you can be wrong. There could most definitely be a "god" - whatever that is - independent of human thought. He/she/it could exist and humans could have completely missed it.


    You try to act like you know better than everybody else, but you haven't taken a second to ask yourself where this idea of a god comes from.
    ??You are mistaken - plain and simple. I have certainly delved into that very deeply - and I already agreed with you where the "concept" of "god" comes from...the CONCEPT COMES FROM HUMANS - THE ACTUAL "GOD" - WHATEVER THAT IS ---may still exist independent of humans "OPINIONS" of he/she/it.


    You go on and on about how god is a mystery that is unknowable, but you not once stop and consider god as merely an idea created by humans.
    ??Already agreed with you here---maybe what YOU have failed to even see - is that there might be some type of other force that may ALSO exist - and EXIST completely independent of human OPINION.

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    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
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    Yeah the snookie one made me laugh too. I did try and find one. But the list stands on it's own. Interpret it how you want.
    at first sight, my interpretation is that it makes sense. There's only been 40 years since Roe vs Wade, and there has been many centuries before it... That's what I would expect such a list to look like.

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    If you don't know for sure - then you cannot possibly be right - but you can be wrong.
    That does not logically follow at all. I can randomly guess that there is an odd number of grains of sand on a beach, and be right. Just because I don't know for sure, doesn't mean I can't be right. You fail at the very simplest of reasoning.

    THE ACTUAL "GOD" - WHATEVER THAT IS ---may still exist independent of humans "OPINIONS" of he/she/it.
    The only reason you even think that is because humans put the concept of "god" into your head. You've been brainwashed into accepting the god as a possibility, and you don't even see it.

    ??Already agreed with you here---maybe what YOU have failed to even see - is that there might be some type of other force that may ALSO exist - and EXIST completely independent of human OPINION.
    See above. You are trying to have it both ways. You use the concept of god given to you by humans to say that there could be a god, then turn around and say that the concept of god that humans gave you is wrong. Without humans, you would have no concept of god, and your attempt to claim that everybody's idea of god is wrong while at the same time claiming that god is unknowable, makes your position completely nonsensical an contradictory.

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