Spurs Nation: Ginobili would like to play two more years

Glad he wants to come back. Manu will play it fair , spurs will give him what he deserves and that includes loyalty to the club.

lots of teams would offer Manu 10mil a year. these are NBA Gms we are talking about. plus believe it or not Manu sells tickets.

Originally Posted by Man In Black

Manu says he sees no scenario that would see him switching teams. He wants to be in San Antonio and the Front Office wants him as well.

If the situation is as clear as that, Manu signing an extension in one month, that is to say when he will be eligible to receive one, would be a strong possibility.

An extension will only allow him to get two more years of contract but it seems to be the length he is looking at. A disadvantage of an extension for Ginobili is that he can't get a no-trade clause with it. Ginobili might rather wait the summer and sign a contract that guarantee him to stay in SA.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Even if Spurs "only" pay Manu $6M per year, it will be more than his market value.

If the Spurs do resign him, would they use the Bird exception? Can they use that exception whether the Spurs are under or over the cap?

Originally Posted by Bruno

If the situation is as clear as that, Manu signing an extension in one month, that is to say when he will be eligible to receive one, would be a strong possibility.

An extension will only allow him to get two more years of contract but it seems to be the length he is looking at. A disadvantage of an extension for Ginobili is that he can't get a no-trade clause with it. Ginobili might rather wait the summer and sign a contract that guarantee him to stay in SA.

He did say in the Rome interview that he will think about in July. Listen to the interview. Manu is fantastic and he always says the right things. He means what he says.

Originally Posted by playblair

word.............. it wold be ill if manu was around long enough to mentor hanga .....................

Agreed.

Manu is not stupid and he wants the Spurs to be successful so he'd take a hometown discount when he's resigned during the offseason. He'll get paid 3.5 to 5 a season for 2 seasons and call it a day when Tim rides off into the sunset.

If Manu is going to hang around for two more years, he will have to get used to coming off the bench!!

Originally Posted by Bruno

Even if Spurs "only" pay Manu $6M per year, it will be more than his market value.

Strongly disagree. There's just no case to support a case that Ginobili's value is MLE or less. Comparable situations:

-Jason Kidd getting a 3-year, $25M contract with the Mavs at age 36 back in 2009.

-Steve Nash getting a 2-year, $22M contract with the Suns at age 35 back in 2009.

-Steve Nash getting offered >$10 per season last offseason at age 38.



Ginobili, even with his injuries and his limited playing time, is easily the fourth best shooting guard in the NBA behind Harden, Wade and Bryant. I know we all hope that Ginobili signs for the least amount possible but let's not confuse what we think Ginobili's market value is and how much we hope he signs for -- those are two totally separate numbers. That confusion why there were Spurs fans who thought at this time last year that the Spurs should let Duncan walk if he asks for more than $8M per season

Originally Posted by Russ

Don't rush any of these guys. There'll be plenty of time to miss them.

TRUE! He can stay as long as he can still play at all.

Originally Posted by spurraider21

timvp I would agree that for the duration of his contract Manu had been well worth the 14 mil, which was actually a bargain. But this season has been different as he's had his usual dnp's, along with several (and I mean several) games with minutes south of 20 where he had little to no impact. He is still absolutely vital for postseason success, but I can't say I value Manu as much as Tim at this point, unless he avoids injury. I think 7-7.5 sounds about right. Then again I thought Duncan would ask for 12 a year.

Well, it's not fair to base how much Ginobili is worth by comparing him to Duncan making $10 million per season. By most estimations, Ginobili being on the team has been good for ~6 additional wins for the Spurs this season. In the NBA, wins are worth ~$2 million. That means Ginobili has been worth ~$12 million this season. If he stays healthy the rest of the way (or a majority of it), he'll reach that ~$14 million mark.

For the record, by the same math, Duncan has been worth $19 million already this season ( @ the talk that Duncan shouldn't be re-signed for more than $6-8M).

Parker is sitting at a cool $24.4 million in value this season. Parker's contract in hindsight was a great move by the Spurs. They signed him at his lowest point to a very reasonable deal. Props to Parker too for accepting it and keeping the core together.

Originally Posted by DPG21920

This is exactly why the proliferation of advanced metrics bothers me.

Yes, we should all use your subjective decision-making skills that concluded it was a bad idea to re-sign Duncan. Good call

I like the idea of him signing a two-year deal this off-season with the second year fully non-guaranteed. That way, if he decides to hang up his Spurs after next season, the Spurs can trade him if he allows it, or he can use his no-trade clause and retire without ever having to report for a physical. It think that gives the Spurs flexibility while allowing Ginobili to keep much of his leverage.

Originally Posted by ace3g

the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

I bet Manu has a ton of those braces in the closet. The Durable Medical guys they use put his kid through college with Manu's business.

Originally Posted by timvp

Strongly disagree. There's just no case to support a case that Ginobili's value is MLE or less.

So what teams will offer Ginobili a multiyear contract over the MLE this summer?

Someone really should have posted that tweet in a new thread to see how many heart attacks it would have caused.

Originally Posted by Bruno

So what teams will offer Ginobili a multiyear contract over the MLE this summer?

The Knicks? They love to overpay for old vets.

Originally Posted by Bruno

So what teams will offer Ginobili a multiyear contract over the MLE this summer?

This sounds like the same logic that said the Spurs should offer Duncan $8M max and let him walk if he wants more. Just because Ginobili has painted himself in a corner by saying he's not signing elsewhere doesn't mean he's worth whatever number the Spurs want to pay him.

I want him to sign for $1M. In a hypothetical market where Ginobili is willing to sign elsewhere or get traded elsewhere in a sign-and-trade, he'd get >$10M/season. That's especially true when you add in intangibles like his willingness to fit any role and his fan-friendliness.

Originally Posted by timvp

In a hypothetical market where Ginobili is willing to sign elsewhere or get traded elsewhere in a sign-and-trade, he'd get >$10M/season.

That's where we disagree.

In that hypothetical scenario, which team would offer Ginobili $10M per year?

Originally Posted by ace3g

Already a TOSB at 3 years old

Originally Posted by justinandimcool

Already a TOSB at 3 years old

Not humorous, not cool.

Get well little Gino

knicks, toronto, denver, memphis, I can see all these teams in line to throw money at bag Ginobili.

again this is the stupid NBA GMs we are talking about. When has money been an issue to them?

Originally Posted by hater

knicks, toronto, denver, memphis, I can see all these teams in line to throw money at bag Ginobili.

again this is the stupid NBA GMs we are talking about. When has money been an issue to them?

These teams don't have the cap space to make an above MLE offer to Ginobili.

When you look at all the NBA teams, there isn't a single team with cap space this summer that should offer Ginobili something like $10M per year over 2 or 3 years. It would just makes little sense for them to do so.

Sign and trade aren't also a serious option because if Spurs free some cap space by not re-signing Ginobili, their best plan is to use it on a free agent instead of taking some average players comming from a a Ginobili S&T.

Ginobili market value, in it's basic sense: the value determined by the market, is the MLE.

Now, you can blow all that just by saying GMs are stupid...