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If the Spurs want their defense-first mentality to hold, CoJo needs to be ahead of Mills on the depth chart
Cory Joseph is a much more stable option than Mills, as a Young Jacque Vaughn with a shot(To force in a comparison to a past Spurs player) That's really valuable. Patty Mills is a more high risk option, because he plays in a more frenetic manner. He's always on, and if you're playing badly that spark of energy is helpful. I think the two of them are separating out as backup PG's, as they're both capable of dribbling up court and have enough shooting ability that teams have to respect them(Considering time alongside Manu, that's a requirement).
If the Spurs want their defense-first mentality to hold, CoJo needs to be ahead of Mills on the depth chart
I really wish Boomersgold would not post anymore regarding Patty, its horribly unbalanced.
Cory Joseph is the second point guard on the Spurs.
Should he be the back up is the real question... and that is entirely situational.
Great to have filling in for TP when he is out.
But I think Mills and Neal wil work better with the second unit. Patty offers more the Manu than Corey offers to Manu, does that make sense???
No offense, benfti, even though I find your posts somewhat informative, but I contribute to this forum much more than you do. I don't just pop up every now and then to talk about Patty and Baynes (so I'm a more "rounded' member, if you will).
I've never said that Cory Joseph shouldn't be the second point guard or that Patty deserves it. That's something that you made up, and you won't be able to find quote of me saying that. In fact, when the question of "who would back up Tony" was first asked, I said De Colo because of his consistency. I just try to comment on what Patty does well, and let the spurstalk folk come up with arguments that disagree with me. That's what this forum's for.
You wanna talk about extremely small sample size. CoJo is the second best point guard after two games against pretty mediocre offenses. And I wouldn't say Joseph was all that great on the offense side of the ball and I'm not just talking about scoring ( 2 assists in 24 minutes). Manu is the second best point guard on the team and it isn't even close.
I believe it's that simple. If Pop really believe in defense again CJ has to play. We've got more than enough offense if we move the ball.
I like the Patty/Manu combo. At this stage I don't think Patty should be on the court without Manu in meaningful minutes
that is a subjective way to look at it.
People accused you of being KBP. Not sure how that works in your favor.
we should sign this boy
I'm not sure what KBP is, but people accused me of being biased for Patty. I completely agreed since he's my favorite player on the team, as Manu, Parker and Duncan are for some other people..
Unlike benfti though, I'm on here most days contributing to and starting other Spurs-related threads as well.
EDIT: (I actually enjoy reading benfti's posts a lot. Don't get me wrong. )
Last edited by Boomersgold; 03-07-2013 at 10:11 AM.
If you ever go on InsideHoops, KBP is Euroleague.
Why was he hated by the ST community? lol
Did anyone see Joseph take that rebound away from Boozer? Or it might have been Noah. I love his determination on the boards as a PG. Also, I never really knew how good good of a defender Cojo was until these past two games. Sure it was against the Pistons and the Bulls, but it was very noticeable. He was giving Knight and Robinson fits.
He hypes up average Euro/Greek players as being better than NBA players and lies a lot.
Just watched the first half again. While you're right that Manu handled the ball when he was in the game with Mills, there was a stretch where Mills was there without Manu. His first decision was to shoot a 22 foot jumper off the dribble with 12 seconds on the shot clock, which is the polar opposite of when he's playing shooting guard, as he's brilliant on offense from that spot.
When the Spurs went down double-digits, Bonner and Blair were on the bench. He was playing with Duncan and Leonard. Patty's defense was as bad as anyone on the team's in the first half. He gave up at least six or seven wide-open three pointers due to his Finley-esque ability to lose track of where his man was and/or misjudge his ability to get back. That only three of them went in is why the Spurs weren't in a bigger hole. To his credit, he did manage to run one of them down. Joseph replaced Mills and the Spurs cut the lead back down to three.
I absolutely am in favor of Patty getting minutes at shooting guard if he's hitting shots, especially if Neal's banged up. The Spurs need a guy who can step in and hit a shot, particularly if the Spurs go cold. He's still not a point guard.
Yeah, I don't understand how anyone can think Mills' offense is significantly better than Joseph's. Mill's is faster, while Joseph's taller and longer, but they both show a good ability it finish at the rim. (I'd actually take Joseph over Patty there.) Mills can shoot very well, but Joseph is not bad in that area, either. He shot 49 percent from three in the d-league. Even if that drops a little, he's still shown he had the range. I also like Joseph's ability to get his own shot. Joseph is also better at getting the offense into its sets. Even though he didn't get a ton of assists last night, I think he passed the ball well. The fact that he had to play with the starters most of the time explains his lack of numbers.
I like Mills, and I have seen a couple of games this season where he seemed to put together some nice possessions running the offense. I'd like him to stay on the team next season. But Joseph's defense and upside make him the better solution as the back-up point. He should be able to score as well as Mills can, and he can run the offense by himself if Ginobili misses time or just needs a break for a few possessions. I think he's more completely fits the role the Spurs need than Mills does.
Jesus...
Those are varsity basketball teams?
About 100 kids in those HSchools. That is really awful stuff. And those were highlights for the kid who can easily play at that inept level. The coaches let 2 players stand behind a teammate dribbling on the perimeter? That was seriously awful.
I know the idea will sound outrageous to most people including Chinook lol, but anyways, the big question at this point isn't if Corey if the best backup PG since he's the only real one. The question to me is should he get minutes at the 2 when Tp comes back at the expense of a shacky defender with no off the dribble game (exactly Corey's strength) called Danny Green? The sample size is too small to be sure about his D tbh but I think I'd go with a TP Manu Corey 3 guards rotation in the POs. Of course it won't happen, this year at least unless Green gets injured and even then it's a long shot, but just saying.
Kid just needs a really hard foul to make him think twice about driving the lane and settle for the easily blockable jump shots.
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Damian Lillard will be a big test of Joseph's defensive chops before Westbrook comes to town.
As it is the Spurs starting 5 of Joseph/Green/Leonard/Duncan/Splitter has a 72.4 Defensive Rating in only 23 minutes.
Holy Crap! Have Tony come off the bench when he comes back!Damian Lillard will be a big test of Joseph's defensive chops before Westbrook comes to town.
As it is the Spurs starting 5 of Joseph/Green/Leonard/Duncan/Splitter has a 72.4 Defensive Rating in only 23 minutes.
Seriously, I do think Pop should give CJ a few more games and if he continues to apply the good defense, run the offense well, and not turn it over. If he can do this for a week, I think the job is his.
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