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Also, thinking only about the "now."
Such a computer will remain viable for a decade or more, unless there is some paradigm shift in the industry.
I still use a laptop over a decade old. Was $1,300 then, top of the line, and works great still.
What an asshole-ish question.
Also, thinking only about the "now."
Such a computer will remain viable for a decade or more, unless there is some paradigm shift in the industry.
I still use a laptop over a decade old. Was $1,300 then, top of the line, and works great still.
Sorry Havoc, I'm highly skeptical of AMD outperforming the Intel processors like you're talking about. On most cases their enthusiasts level processors are beaten down by core I3's. Plus your talking about AMD blowing them out..find it hard to believe
As do I. Still, even if an AMD processor was faster, I will stick with Intel. Their reliability isn't beat by anyone.
This might help Havoc. If you notice, the top 50 processors with the exception of TWO are Intel. One of the AMD's on the list is not a normal processor for normal PC use IIRC.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
The battle is slightly different in the GPU side of it as with the newest drivers from AMD, their 7970 ghz edition cards are slightly faster than the GTX680's.
*edit* Interesting video. He mentioned some motherboards, but wondering which he used for the Intel tests..
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Again, most of the CPU and gaming tests use "benchmark" games and setups. They aren't necessarily reflective of the real world. They replicated those tests over, and over, and now people at Reddit are buying 8370s and reporting some pretty impressive numbers.
You can doubt it all you want, but the tests have been replicated. Is it really so hard to believe that the tests that a select few websites run are biased or not in-depth enough? Makes perfect sense to me, honestly.
bear in mind that they were also using xsplit while getting those benchmarks, thanks to the 8350 being an '8 core' vs the intel 4 core it no doubt helped in this certain situation. right now intel still has superiority in single threaded tasks, and the majority of games still don't utilise the extra cores available on todays modern processors which invariably leads to intel being known as the more viable gaming option.
however, it must be noted that the next gen consoles are going to be using amd multicore processors. game developers will be optimizing their games to suit the new systems, and one would be lead to believe that this would equal more games taking advantage of the extra cores now available to them. it's going to interesting in the next few years as to what this does to the market but i think amd is in a good place right now, no doubt a of a lot better than ~12 months ago.
bottom line is that the 8350 is a damn decent processor at a good price, and will be adequate for most users including gamers.
You know, there is also the bios setup. Was mul hreading enabled on the Intel chips, or was this a setup from the start?
Yeah, I just won't buy anything from AMD/Radeon. Personal preference. As for not needing a 3430, well, no ing . The fact is, I can afford it and want to future-proof my rig as much as possible while ensuring that I can throw whatever in the I want to at it. The other aspect is overclocking. No other chip out there, from what i've read, is as stable after a little tweaking. Oh yeah, and I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to have some bragging rights for awhile. So yeah, I'm going top-mother ingshelf.
I don't get this. Do you realize that the single greatest failure in the history of reliability for GPUs was from Nvidia, when a massive quan y of 512mb 8800 GTS chips would just seize up and die? And the single greatest (recent) failure in CPUs belongs to Intel and their first gen Sandy Bridge processor, which caused any SATA II ports to completely burn out within a couple of months of use?
Right now the top shelf is AMD for GPUs, and it's arguable to who's got the best CPU chip, but by no means a clear "top shelf".
I don't understand this brand loyalty when Intel/Nvidia have done absolutely nothing to earn it. For the record, I have two Intel CPUs, but I wouldn't buy one today if I were building a system. And GPUs are CLEARLY tilted towards AMD's favor these days. They win at essentially every price point. I haven't bought an Nvidia GPU in close to a decade, and I've never had an issue with any AMD cards.
it makes little sense, but I am still somewhat biased against them for the first gen Athlon chip I bought that was DOA as far as CPU's go. I was excited for the bulldozer, but it was clearly underwhelming when it actually came out. I have bought several Radeon cards though, and they were great.
And yes, that NVidia was a nightmare when I was on the phones at Apple. They had that one in the MacBooks and it was a total disaster.
Don't get mired in my terminology. And price points just aren't a factor. I've always had Nvidia cards, they've always worked well, and I see no reason to change.
Also, the difference in performance at the top-end is small enough as to not really be a factor. http://kotaku.com/5964022/the-best-g...gen-comparison
I'm not disputing what you're saying, merely that I'm sticking with what has worked for me.
Perhaps you should pe ion AMD/Radeon for some compensation? You're definitely working hard for them
With my two Intel chips, including one I bought 3 months ago? Yeah, working *hard* for that brand loyalty.
You admitted that you buy one brand without even thinking about comparisons, and you accuse ME of being a shill? Hilarious. Come on now, dude.
And lol buying hardware right after it's released. I've never done that. You wait 3-6 months and see how it performs. Common sense has served me well in that game over the years
I'm not trying to dissuade people from a certain brand like you are. I'm basically saying, "to each their own." You're fervently arguing for AMD/Athlon while I clearly said my decision was a preference.
Come on, dude
No, I'm arguing fervently for using your head and evaluating which choice is the best. You say you want the best, then turn around and only buy from 1 company for each system part, citing a reliability reputation that has NEVER EXISTED. It makes no sense at all.
So, again, while I'm not buying the 'extreme' Intel chip nor that 1000 dollar new Nvidia GPU, i'll still have top of the line stuff. Sorry if you took everything literally
You want to get bogged down in semantics, CH. I'm not going to do that. I just told you the has worked well for me over the years. You're using some broad view of the entire chip manufacturing sector, which, frankly, I don't give a about. I've identified the chip I want, it's been out for awhile, heavily reviewed and tested extensively. Same goes for the GPU I want.
Does that make sense?
I wouldn't go as far as to say AMD cards are top shelf. It's pretty neck and neck. The latest drivers from AMD made the 7970 slightly faster than the 680. That doesn't say much considering a driver update from Nvidia could take back the lead by a small margin at some point also..
It just really comes down to what you want in features. With Nvidia, I liked PhysX. It isn't groundbreaking, but nice when used right (Borderlands 2). AMD just came out with TressFX, which seems like a great idea, but so far from what I've seen most users are complaining about the hair (floating off her shoulders), and the fact that it kills frames.
Cry Havoc:
Would you consider using a portable desktop as your main stationary PC too? Or is the noise/temps too high and case space too limited for that?
Tbh, I've considered selling my primary desktop, honestly. The portable DT is that damn good. I would probably actually sell it too if I thought I could get anywhere near a decent return for it. Still thinking about it though.
The temps are actually lower than my desktop PC, due to better parts/manufacturing. It's not silent, either, but it's pretty damn quiet. Beast of a rig and I couldn't be happier. If I had to build one today I would go with the portable version, no question. It's just a little harder to build and you trade a little flexibility, but it's obviously light-years ahead of what you can do with a laptop unless you're willing to fork out $2k and not be able to upgrade down the road.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/10/x...on-pre-orders/
Consoles are trying to become media centers and PCs are trying to become consoles.
Bad ass. I really like the CM Elite 120 case. Corsairis supposed to be making a portable LAN case too but they haven't updated in a while.
Hopefully the consumer wins
I still can't believe how light it is. If I hadn't dropped a blu ray drive in it the entire rig would probably weigh ~12 pounds. Insane.
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