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    Drive for Five! ambchang's Avatar
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    As the season is coming to a close, it is time to look at the number of free throws shot per field goal shot. It's only natural that a team shooting more FG will shoot more FTs, and there are bound to have disparities, as some teams just have a more low post oriented style that warrants more FTs.

    The interesting thing is that, earlier this year, OKC was far and away #1, and deep into the season, they are still #1 by a huge margin.

    They shoot 0.282 FT/FGA, and that is 0.047 FT/FGA more than the 2nd team (surprise surprise) LA Lakers. When you put that into perspective, that is the same difference as #2 LA Lakers with #21 Trail Blazers.

    As the WC teams are fighting for the #6 to 8 seed, I would like to track the FT/FGA of these teams for the final 20 or so games.

    As we speak:

    LA Lakers is #2 with 0.235
    Rockets are #3 with 0.231
    Jazz are #6 with 0.225
    Warriors are #13 with 0.209

    Let's see how those numbers evolve.

    EDIT:
    The numbers posted above were FTM/FGA, so it is not really indicative of what I am trying to accomplish. I have recalculated those numbers based on FTA/FGA.

    The interesting thing is that OKC is no longer THAT far ahead in terms of numbers, they shot 0.341 FTA/FGA, only 0.00376 more than 2nd place LAL. At the same time, LAL is 0.02547 more than 3rd place MIN, which is the same difference as #3 from #12 IND. Put that in perspective, the only difference larger between a team's FTA/FTM with the next ranked than the LAL-MIN difference is between the #28 ranked Suns and #29 ranked 76ers, with a difference of 0.03793. The next biggest difference is between the Pistons and the Kings of 0.00918, and that is about 40% difference than the LAL-MIN difference. In other words, the difference between #2 ranked LAL and #3 ranked MIN is HUGE.

    As of yesterday, the 4 teams of interest have the following numbers:
    LAL, #2, 0.337
    HOU, #5, 0.305
    UTA, #8, 0.293
    GSW, #19, 0.261

    Also, the intention for me checking the numbers was originally to make fun of OKC, I noticed something funny with the numbers and dug deeper, and seems like it really touched off the Laker fans.
    Last edited by ambchang; 03-11-2013 at 09:57 AM.

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    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    The Lakers will significantly widen their margin over those 3 teams. I expect the Lakers' FTAs to increase and the other three teams' FTAs to decrease disproportionately as they battle Stern's beloved for playoff spots.

    And right on cue, the Suns have shot 15 more FTs than the Rockets in tonight's game.

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    Veteran LkrFan's Avatar
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    P - at least act like you are confident in your team. After all, they are the top dogs (record wise) in the association. Might not mean much - given your recent history - but at least you're not fighting for a playoff spot.

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    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    P - at least act like you are confident in your team. After all, they are the top dogs (record wise) in the association. Might not mean much - given your recent history - but at least you're not fighting for a playoff spot.
    Me observing Stern's pro-Lakers agenda has nothing to do with the confidence I have in the Spurs. Not sure how you extrapolated that idea from my comment.

    As for my confidence in the Spurs. I think their ceiling is the WCF.

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    Mario GÖDze Bynumite's Avatar
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    The Lakers will significantly widen their margin over those 3 teams. I expect the Lakers' FTAs to increase and the other three teams' FTAs to decrease disproportionately as they battle Stern's beloved for playoff spots.

    And right on cue, the Suns have shot 15 more FTs than the Rockets in tonight's game.
    Houston could always stop shooting so many 3's and actually attack the basket for a change, that could help them in the FT department... just saying.

    Another 40+ 3 point attempts game for the Rockets

    Midnightbutthurt with the conspiracy theory bads per par.

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    The Lakers are making the playoffs, guaranteed!

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    Veteran LkrFan's Avatar
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    Me observing Stern's pro-Lakers agenda has nothing to do with the confidence I have in the Spurs. Not sure how you extrapolated that idea from my comment.

    As for my confidence in the Spurs. I think their ceiling is the WCF.
    Uh, P = ambchang, not mid. Anywho, your ceiling is the Lakers if we meet. Neal with it son.

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    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    Houston could always stop shooting so many 3's and actually attack the basket for a change, that could help them in the FT department... just saying.

    Another 40+ 3 point attempts game for the Rockets

    Midnightbutthurt with the conspiracy theory bads per par.
    The Lakers chuck nearly as much from downtown, and Kobe is about the only player who attacks the basket, yet the Lakers still shoot 30 freethrows per game.

    Why don't you ever give my Lakers credit, midnight? They're a good team, dammit!

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    Veteran LkrFan's Avatar
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    The Lakers are making the playoffs, guaranteed!
    I see you are finally sober, drunkman.

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    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    Uh, P = ambchang, not mid. Anywho, your ceiling is the Lakers if we meet. Neal with it son.
    Care to put your money where your mouth is?

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    Care to put your money where your mouth is?
    TBD, tbh. If we enter the playoffs with a full deck, I'll consider it.

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    Houston could always stop shooting so many 3's and actually attack the basket for a change, that could help them in the FT department... just saying.
    The Lakers are third in the NBA in team three point attempts, right behind Houston.... Houston is also second in the NBA in team FGA at the rim, whereas the Lakers are only 13th.... yet the Lakers lead the NBA in FTA/game and Houston is only fifth...

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    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    The Lakers are third in the NBA in team three point attempts, right behind Houston.... Houston is also second in the NBA in team FGA at the rim, whereas the Lakers are only 13th.... yet the Lakers lead the NBA in FTA/game and Houston is only fifth...
    Bynunite
    re ed

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    Mario GÖDze Bynumite's Avatar
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    The Lakers chuck nearly as much from downtown, and Kobe is about the only player who attacks the basket, yet the Lakers still shoot 30 freethrows per game.
    Lakers are only averaging 2 more FTs than Houston and let's not forget the fact that teams intentionally foul Dwight.

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    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    TBD, tbh. If we enter the playoffs with a full deck, I'll consider it.
    Where's all this confidence coming from?

    Remember:

    - I've been here the whole time but have nothing to say. The Lakers suck major ass. I figure why continue to log onto ST, prop them up, only to see with my own eyes that they don't give a . If they don't care, why should I?
    *Lakers escape with wins against ty, tanking teams, and now:

    No one can stop us!
    You really are a shameless homer, aren't you?

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    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    Lakers are only averaging 2 more FTs than Houston and let's not forget the fact that teams intentionally foul Dwight.
    And they should continue to average 2 less FTs than the Lakers. But ever since the Lakers got "hot," I've noticed a trend of the Lakers FTAs increasing and the FTAs decreasing for the teams who are in direct compe ion with the Lakers.

    Is what it is, bro. Stern loves you. "Lakers vs. Lakers." The league would lose millions in revenue without the Lakers in the post-season.

    Did you forget basketball is a business above all else?

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    I see you are finally sober, drunkman.
    Sober and 101%, Lkr

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    Veteran LkrFan's Avatar
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    Where's all this confidence coming from?

    Remember:



    *Lakers escape with wins against ty, tanking teams, and now:



    You really are a shameless homer, aren't you?
    Oh the old search post history to use it against your foe tactic is live and well I see. I'll readily admit I was pissed and I'm still not happy with my boys. I expected much more. I still do.

    This season was mostly a train wreck to say the least. However, as we began to get healthy we have begun to play better. Are we peaking? No because our 3rd best player still isn't playing yet (although he's getting close ). I expect us to start playing harder as they get closer to the playoffs. When they get there, if healthy, I give them a good chance at having playoff success. Especially if we play the Spurs.

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    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    Oh the old search post history to use it against your foe tactic is live and well I see. I'll readily admit I was pissed and I'm still not happy with my boys. I expected much more. I still do.

    This season was mostly a train wreck to say the least. However, as we began to get healthy we have begun to play better. Are we peaking? No because our 3rd best player still isn't playing yet (although he's getting close ). I expect us to start playing harder as they get closer to the playoffs. When they get there, if healthy, I give them a good chance at having playoff success. Especially if we play the Spurs.
    You're playing about as hard as you can, and it's still taking you miracles to beat the likes of the Pelicans and Raptors.

    Once you're capable of preventing teams from routinely dropping 60 point halves on you, maybe I'll take the Lakers seriously. Maybe. Until then, first round fodder.

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    Mario GÖDze Bynumite's Avatar
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    And they should continue to average 2 less FTs than the Lakers. But ever since the Lakers got "hot," I've noticed a trend of the Lakers FTAs increasing and the FTAs decreasing for the teams who are in direct compe ion with the Lakers.

    Is what it is, bro. Stern loves you. "Lakers vs. Lakers." The league would lose millions in revenue without the Lakers in the post-season.

    Did you forget basketball is a business above all else?
    Spurs won 4 les and a rerun of Family Ties has better ratings than a spurs playoff game. Where were Stern's business priorities during those years?

    Spurfan: "Once evil Stern retires order will be restored and we will get a fair shot at a le." Pathetic

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    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    Spurs won 4 les and a rerun of Family Ties has better ratings than a spurs playoff game. Where were Stern's business priorities during those years?

    Spurfan: "Once evil Stern retires order will be restored and we will get a fair shot at a le." Pathetic
    Beat the odds. Just how great the Spurs organization is.

    But I'll remember how you didn't believe the NBA was rigged when you're complaining about the 60FTAs the Thunder (right now, the Lakers are somewhat on the backburner and Stern wants to manufacture Bird vs. Magic 2.0 with Durant and Lebron) are getting if you play them in the 1st round.

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    Dwight Howard skews the Lakers FTA pretty drastically. He shoots nearly as many free throws as field goal attempts. He, not Kobe, leads the team in average FTA. Strong finisher at the rim, good offensive rebounder, horrible free throw shooter. He's a huge reason the Lakers shoot as many free throws as they do. Not the only reason, but a very, very big reason. Teams prefer him shooting free throws than attempting dunks. And regardless if the opposing team is up or down, fouling Dwight and putting him on the line is always a strategic option.

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    Veteran LkrFan's Avatar
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    Spurs won 4 les and a rerun of Family Ties has better ratings than a spurs playoff game. Where were Stern's business priorities during those years?

    Spurfan: "Once evil Stern retires order will be restored and we will get a fair shot at a le." Pathetic

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    The Lakers are third in the NBA in team three point attempts, right behind Houston.... Houston is also second in the NBA in team FGA at the rim, whereas the Lakers are only 13th.... yet the Lakers lead the NBA in FTA/game and Houston is only fifth...
    Vince McStern: "Execute Operation Laker Season Save."

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    a rerun of Family Ties has better ratings than a spurs playoff game.

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