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    LOL overreaction...Manu had two great games, and then he had a regular one and we lost by 30... Hardly his fault. The entire team collapsed. He is giving the Spurs 12.6 pts /3.5 rbs / 4.6 ass in 45/37/80...only in 23 minutes per game. He is only taking 9 shots, yes, 9. His TS is 588 and his Efg 532...Almost as good as Tony´s. His PER is 21.3 and his WS48 is 0.199. In a per minute impact, Manu contributes as any other All-Star player. Every measurable stat indicates that. Of course, he can´t log heavy minutes anymore on a consistent basis, but the time he is on the court, he produces. Haters gonna gate I guess. If he plays good against OKC, this forum will be full of threads sucking his balls.
    Can't? Looked fine in the Olympics

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    can we all just have another thread ranking the spurs players by how good you think they are and get it over with

    1. Duncan
    2. Parker
    3. Manu
    4. Kawhi
    5. Danny
    6. Splitter

    7. SJax
    8. Diaw
    9. CJoseph
    10. Choo Choo
    11. Patty
    12. Bonner
    13. Nando
    14. Blair
    15. Baynes

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    I guess some of you guys didn't watch the Chicago game. Off night for the whole team and Blazers hit every shot. Time to take some lithium.

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    No, he's still good. Not worth $14M, though.

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    At times on defense he's bit of a liability. More-so when he gambling or trying to keep up with quicker player. Against the blazers it really showed.

    On offense hardly at all. If anything it's looking very positive. The problem for Manu is that his turnvovers get amplified because they are of the un-forced and flashy kind. He still not 100 percent,rhythm and gametime is a big part of it for Manu. If he remains healthy, he will be back to his best.

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    LOL overreaction...Manu had two great games, and then he had a regular one and we lost by 30... Hardly his fault. The entire team collapsed. He is giving the Spurs 12.6 pts /3.5 rbs / 4.6 ass in 45/37/80...only in 23 minutes per game. He is only taking 9 shots, yes, 9. His TS is 588 and his Efg 532...Almost as good as Tony´s. His PER is 21.3 and his WS48 is 0.199. In a per minute impact, Manu contributes as any other All-Star player. Every measurable stat indicates that. Of course, he can´t log heavy minutes anymore on a consistent basis, but the time he is on the court, he produces. Haters gonna gate I guess. If he plays good against OKC, this forum will be full of threads sucking his balls.
    I'm a little stunned here. Someone made a non-moronic post itt.

    So many mouthbreathers.

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    I wouldn't want him on my roster ... Rudy Gay esque contract

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    green > splitter

    there i said it

    green started more games, plays more minutes, scores more points (and is the best 3pt shooter on the team this year statistically)

    Splitter is better passer/smarter/most effective/better defender

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    Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

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    Manu is the only one who can draw as many fouls as he does, so in the POs there's no question he's still very important.
    That's why he's such a good closer in the playoffs.

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    I guess he seems a little over payed to me for the amount he actually plays now. That said I understand why he has that contract due to his stats per game and history with the spurs.

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    I'm not that interested in what Ginobili do in the regular season. At his age and with all his injuries, he isn't well suited for these endless part of the season.

    What truly matter is what he will do in the playoffs. Last season he wasn't good in the playoffs, so we will see if he is able to raise his level this year. Postseason will almost solely determine how done Manu is and how big is next contract should be.

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    Manu went from being a negative defender last season to the best man defender on the team this season.

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    If Manu is a liability then the whole team is a liability because without him at his best, we go nowhere. Manu at his best is un-gameplanable for the opposing team. Manu is basically magic when he's on.

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    Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
    Depends on which one shows up lol, the one who throws passes into the cot damn crowd or the one making plays!!!!!! Whichever one shows up. The one launching horrible stepback threes and misses them BADLY late or the one who is efficient and 3-5 threes, depends again on which one shows up.

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    If Manu is a liability then the whole team is a liability because without him at his best, we go nowhere. Manu at his best is un-gameplanable for the opposing team. Manu is basically magic when he's on.
    This. Fans on these boards are so dramatic. You take Manu off this team and we're instantly a lot worse. A lot.. People take our great players for granted. Can't wait to see these fans in 5 years..

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    No he is not a liability at all. We simply have to deal with the fact that he isn't Super Manu anymore.

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    How quickly we forget the Chicago game if we really think hes a liability.

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    No he is not a liability at all. We simply have to deal with the fact that he isn't Super Manu anymore.

    Problem is that he is still getting paid like Super Manu, that said there were a few years when he wasn't being paid like that, and he was a bad bad man on the basketball court. Manu this year isn't a 14,000,000 player and he wasn't last year either this year he is a 7/8,000,000 and being able to have that extra cash to upgrade a little at a couple of positions would be a great thing. Its not something that really could have been foreseen really, manu was established as being very very good in europe when he came over it simply remained to be seen how things translated so he was granted a somewhat low contract. When this one was signed it was slightly overvalued due to him being undervalued before and also was a little bit of an increased risk because he was likely to start declining during it as an older player.

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    Manu has been a liability for the last 6 years. There was a 4 year stretch in the playoffs when he was hurt and cost the team and now he is no longer worth his contract.

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    oh he's smarter and most effective. do you have IQ or wunderlich test results?

    Green averages more assists and more steals, and fouls less
    So this is that basketball discussion I've been hearing about

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    Problem is that he is still getting paid like Super Manu, that said there were a few years when he wasn't being paid like that, and he was a bad bad man on the basketball court. Manu this year isn't a 14,000,000 player and he wasn't last year either this year he is a 7/8,000,000 and being able to have that extra cash to upgrade a little at a couple of positions would be a great thing. Its not something that really could have been foreseen really, manu was established as being very very good in europe when he came over it simply remained to be seen how things translated so he was granted a somewhat low contract. When this one was signed it was slightly overvalued due to him being undervalued before and also was a little bit of an increased risk because he was likely to start declining during it as an older player.
    It happens when stars get their last big contracts. Timmy @ 10m/year is a bargain. We were not saying the same thing when Timmy was getting 20m/year in the past 2 years.

    Even if we agree that Manu is not worth 14m/year now, it's not causing SA any problems. SA is below the lux tax and Manu is not a long-term contract, he is an expiring. If Manu had an Amare-type of contract, I would agree that SA would have a problem, but not in this case. As you mentioned, Manu was underpaid for most part of his career. Plus, We all know that he will take a big paycut after this season, much like Timmy.

    People forget how Manu was San Antonio's 1st option back in 11 and was putting 17/5/4 on 58%TS in the RS and was leading SA in the playoffs putting 20/4/4 with a broken arm.

    If I could grade a liability including players and the staff, I would rank Pop's irrational moves and rotations at the top of the list and It wouldn't even be close tbh.

    Manu was not the one putting a starting lineup of Parker/Roger Mason Jr/Findog's corpse/Matt Bonner/Duncan in the playoffs while the Mavs was taking a dump on us.

    Manu was not the one giving Bonner a pass (and a new contract) for his playoffs failures since 08.

    Manu was not the one giving zero minutes to Splitter in 11 and out of nowhere put him on the fire when Z-Bo/Gasol/Arthur were ting on SAS entire front-court. The same thing is going on with Baynes this season.

    I could go on...

    Bottom line is.: I've seen fans trashing Manu, Parker even Timmy in the last few years, but not Pop's irrational moves. If people want to blame Parker, Timmy or Manu, they should think about it because there's someone else at the top of the list.

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    Yes, the guy who came off the bench for 15 assists, then filled in for Parker with 18 points and 9 assists (in less than 30 minutes), and who was by far the best player we had against the Thunder last year (and Grizzlies the year before that with a broken arm)... yes, that guy is definitely a liability. Somebody resurrect this thread when Manu single handedly wins a playoff game for us this postseason. Idiots...

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    He's a euro legend playing ind nba at this point of his career. You can tell his brain works 1000mph but his body is barely responding. Hes on a level of a spanoulis at this point.

    Another good comparison is jeremy lin. Theres something special somewhere there. But its trapped inside a weak slow fragile body

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    A liability that just set his career high for assists at 36 years of age.

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