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Kobe Bean Bryant. He is the most complete player in the game.
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Kobe Bean Bryant. He is the most complete player in the game.
of course there's the big fundamental... TD has anchored the Spurs on both ends of the floor for years. Can score down low, can pop out and hit jumpers, and locks down the paint. Great leader, great passer, underrated ball handler
LeBron an obvious candidate, along with KG, Wade, Kobe, Chris Paul.
Kobe's gotten older, and his defense isn't what it once was. His new-found desire to pass the the ball is impressive. Funny how his recent assist surge has coincided with the Lakers increased win%.
LeBron quite literally does it all. Wade essentially a lesser LeBron. KG can play inside, outside, and monster defense. Paul is a do it all point guard. Scoring, passing, leading, and pretty good defensively too.
Guys that CAN get on this list:
Westbrook. So freakin talented and explosive. Easily has the physical tools to be the best point guard, on both ends of the floor. Problems lie between the ears.
Harden. Man his game has grown quick. He was better defensively on OKC, but that was to be expected on an up-tempo team like Houston, especially with him essentially playing the LeBron role in Houston.
Anthony Davis: needs to refine his game, but tools are definitely there. has good shooting mechanics and all the athletic ability to be a great all around player.
Kyrie: dude reminds me a lot of Brandon Roy, in that he's not freaky athletic, not uber explosive, but plays so damn smooth. Needs to become a defensive leader to crack the list
Isn't Kyrie statistically the worst defender in the league? That means he shouldn't be on the "can get on the list" list
Tim Duncan and Karl Malone come to mind for some reason.
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his D has picked up to above average level. He can do it all.
Duncan
James
Garnett
Bryant
Paul
And Monta Ellis have it all
Fundamentals and "doing it all" aren't the same thing
Defense hasn't stopped being part of the game, son....
Kobe's fundamentals are impressive, tbqh. Footwork, shooting form, ball-handling. I heard he had great rape form as well.
Nash is also up there when it comes to fundamentals.
Fundamentals and doing it all are two different things.
Example: Battier (and others) may have better defensive fundamentals than Lebron... meaning they have the proper stance, they shade the player to help or to their off hand well etc. The Bulls players for the most part (not Boozer) exemplify this. Lebron has good but not great fundamentals (his jumpshot, defensive positioning, foot-work in the post are all non text-book) but he is so good at almost everything due to his size, speed and strength that it does not matter.
Kobe being a sometimes defender has nothing to do with fundamentals which are usually excellent. His sometimes crappy defense has to do with coasting on that end of the court and sometimes he just does not have the speed or athleticism to deal with a healthy rose or Westbrook type player. Im pretty sure most fans dont watch as much Laker games as I do and when he dials in ...Kobe is still capable of elite defense in spurts it just does not happen enough ...
Best Fundamentals:
Kobe
Duncan
Marc and Pau Gasol
Best Specialists:
Jumper: Ray allen (perfect form almost)
Post Moves: Al Jeff (up and under is sweet)
Defending pnr: Noah and KG
Rebounding: (box out) Noah, Love Asik
Shot Blocking:
Last edited by Killakobe81; 03-11-2013 at 08:37 PM.
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Tim has great fundamentals as does KG and Ray Allen. Lebron doesn't have good fundamentals. Kobe has great fundamentals, that's why he's been as good as he has been. Steven Nash has good fundamentals.
It depends on what part of the game you're talking about. Some have shooting fundamentals, some have defense fundamentals, some have moving without the ball fundamentals. There are some freaky good players who's fundamentals suck, Manu comes to mind.
Dirk's high arching shot is fundamentally great while Tim's line drives at the rim aren't so much. He hits a good number of them but he could have a higher shooting percentage if he had better shot mechanics.
So Mono is right, all around player /= fundamentally sound.
When Kobe's not bombing 3s his post game is fun to watch. I dislike it when he just chucks it up but that happens when his team doesn't lock in on offense.
Lebron is by far the most well rounded player in the NBA. There is NOTHING that Lebron doesn't do at least reasonably well, and that cannot be said for anyone else in the league. Think about it. He can play ANY position on the floor reasonably well, from point guard to center. Who else can do that? He runs the floor like a guard, can bang with the bigs, handle the ball like a point, one of the best passers in the game. He can post you up on the block or hurt you 25 feet from the basket.
I guess Lebron is my "do it all" selection, even though the le says fundamentals. The OP said player than can do it all though..so I go with Lebron.
Last edited by OKC; 03-11-2013 at 10:53 AM.
Kobe, Nash, Duncan, and Dirk are probably the most fundamentally sound players in the league, and have been for like a decade now, or longer.
Ginobili, Pierce, and Harden are probably a tier below, but all very solid fundamentally.
When I think of fundamentals, I think of people who find ways to beat you without relying on a high level of athletic ability, and can do so in a number of ways. They are all very skilled, cerebral players.
I think both of those statements are incorrect.
Lebron has solid fundamentals. Not great, but improving.
Manu has an unorthodox style, but he is very fundamentally sound.
Kobe the most complete ?
The guy who rarely plays D ?
GTFO
Kobe has great fundamentals. The fact he doesn't play a lick of defense doesn't mean he lacks fundamentals. He lacks the desire to play defense these days. Goes back to how mono said there's a difference between fundamentals and doing it all. LeBron has very good fundamentals for the most part. I don't think he's improved his low post offense though. People have suggested he has, but when i see him go down in the post, I don't see great footwork or technical moves. What ends up happening, he still just resorts to brute strength or speed to score. His game still features quite a bit of reliance in athleticism, so I don't see him as a highly fundamental player. However, I do agree that LeBron is the most complete player in the game as it relates to doing it all and at both ends of the court.
I like the mention of Paul Pierce. He immediately came to mind. Nash, CP3, Duncan, KG, Dirk, Pau Gasol have obvious high fundamentals. I think Stephen Curry especially offensively has great fundamentals, at least when it comes to the basic dribble, pass, shoot skills. Shane Battier has textbook fundamentals for any player who doesn't have elite athleticism or great one-on-one skill.
It used to be Tim Duncan but now his knees seem to get stuck when changing gears...
Toss up between Tim and Kobe. One doesn't have a outside shooting game and one chooses not to defend.
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